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Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by tmalsburg2 »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

The thing that got me annoyed was the bold claim that it‘s the fastest terminal emulator even though many people reported that other terminal emulators were faster. For instance, urxvt was 3 to 5 times faster last time I checked (in addition to also being rock solid).

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by rstat1 »

zxzax wrote: post #174
jstimpfle wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't assume bad faith, following Hanlon's razor it's obviously stupidity and probably a culture of arrogance engrained into a larger group (I know very little about the organization there, but there has been a lot of heated debate for years about other groups connected to redhat). How can they otherwise ignore such an obvious, massive load of complaints with dismissive and side-stepping comments? > Type-ahead has…

>How can they otherwise ignore such an obvious, massive load of complaints with such disrespectful and dismissive comments? [...] We're talking multiple or many seconds of wait and stress that this behaviour can cause, even on beefy machines. I don't think the complaints were ignored, multiple other tickets with concrete work items were opened in response to the complaints. There is a ticket open to improve the speed…

You can keep the type-ahead functionality while also implementing proper full search like every other OS available does. It doesn't need to be a one or the other type deal.

File Explorer in the last 4 major Windows releases has a search box in the top right of the window, while also supporting a type-ahead search as well. There's no reason why GNOME can't also do that.

I don't think you'll ever be able to improve the speed of a full search to a point that it'll match the performance of a type-ahead style search.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by codethief »

siver_john wrote: post #85
twic wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the explanation lies here: > VTE is a terrible base for building a modern, fast and safe terminal emulator. It's slow, brittle and difficult to improve. It sounds like the maintainers of termite had a miserable time dealing with VTE, and are glad to see the back of it.

I mean I get that, but they could have just said we're no longer developing this, because we're tired or whatever. I just think it's interesting they made such a strong stand.

Given with how the conversation went in the Bugzilla ticket[0] that Daniel Micay linked, I can't say that I blame him.

Make sure to scroll all the way down to comment #26 where the devs say:

> This bug is closed and this patch rejected […] Adding keyboard selection to vte will be done inside vte, see bug 78291 [1]

– a bug which is 19 (in words: nineteen) years old.

[0]: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679658

[1]: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78291

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by logimame »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here. Just posting on the issue section that the “colors are wrong” while comparing with uxrvt, without any explanation or self-investigation as to why this could be a problem, has ample potential to be regarded as rude to the devs (I’m using this another terminal app and have better colors, why aren’t you fixing this?)

And please note that Mac OS is NOTORIOUS for having bad/buggy/outdated support for OpenGL (which alacritty extensively uses), and this is a legitimate frustration that many developers in the low-level graphics domain have. It’s already really maddening for the devs, the contributors shouldn’t nag too much about it (I understand people outside the domain might genuinely not know this - but it’s always good to read some of the previous Github issues before filing your own, to learn the general “vive” among the core contributors)

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by hojjat12000 »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

I also read some of their interactions with people having issues on Gnome Wayland. I recently switched to Tilix. I realized multiplexing makes me a lot faster than gpu powered terminal. and if I'm supposed to use tmux, then alacritty is a lot slower with tmux and loses it's "speed" (it's another issue on their page that I had fun reading all the way through)

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by apocolyps6 »

CapmCrackaWaka wrote: post #199
apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

Oof, that interaction was uncomfortable. Definitely a very bad look for that dev.

The other dev chiming in at the end with "I've heard only good things about Alacritty's default colorscheme so far" was also frustrating. Saying "well nobody else complained" is an awful reason to dismiss an issue.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by phkahler »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #150
bhaak wrote: post #3

> GTK and most of the GNOME project are much of the same. Avoid them and don't make the mistake of thinking their libraries are meant for others to use. Choose your dependencies wisely. Sometimes only a crystal ball would have helped but often, a little bit of due dilligence would have prevented lots of upgrade pain down the line.

> don't make the mistake of thinking their libraries are meant for others to use I agree. This presentation convinced me: https://youtu.be/ON0A1dsQOV0?t=2468 GTK+ is really just a toolkit for GNOME projects. All other users are secondary.

>> GTK+ is really just a toolkit for GNOME projects. All other users are secondary.

They do seem to be paying more attention to MacOS and Windows with GTK 4.

I find the notion that GTK is just for GNOME rather funny since most the GNOME apps are very basic. The Software app is notoriously crap, but that's due to a lack of people to work on it. Their map app isn't much more than a GTK window frame on google maps or something. The video player... I mean can't they adopt VLC as the "official" media player and just make the GTK version of that really nice? VLC could use a better GUI. Same for web browser, why have a GNOME one that will never be able to keep up? Why make all these little toy apps anyway? Maybe I'm conflating gnome with a small linux distro. But once they move beyond system and config tools that's what it starts to become.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by Sleepytime »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

I was experimenting with it this week as well, and that exact issue was what had me uninstall it. I guess this post doesn't add much value, but I thought the (synchronicity?) Of our experiences was interesting.

It's a curious hill to die on, so to speak.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by sseneca »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

Yeah, this was my take away as well. Also, iirc their claims of Alacritty being the "fastest" are dubious at best.

I used Kitty for a while instead, which is very similar. More recently I've been trying out Foot: https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by Sleepytime »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #206
CapmCrackaWaka wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oof, that interaction was uncomfortable. Definitely a very bad look for that dev.

The other dev chiming in at the end with "I've heard only good things about Alacritty's default colorscheme so far" was also frustrating. Saying "well nobody else complained" is an awful reason to dismiss an issue.

Considering this is their reaction to someone pointing out that their green is actually yellow, I'm not surprised that they are in an echo chamber.
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