Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

The company is still developing its products, and the extra margin reflects the fact that it hasn't yet been able to amortize the costs as Tyson etc. have with already established slaughterhouses, monopolies on the business to secure their trade and other infrastructure.

You're evidently misinformed, I've provided references (see Dr. Cate Shanahan for one) here regarding seed oils. There is no doubt they are toxic. Glad you're healthy, but look around you.

These are the worst ones: Canola, Corn, Cottonseed Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran.

Also, olives and coconuts are fruits.

This idea that physical activity will balance out an unhealthy diet is wrong and has been proven wrong by decades of people attempting just that. It doesn't work. Once your metabolism is damaged by your diet, no amount of physical activity (if you can muster it) will fix it.

Why can't people just eat vegetables instead? Seriously, I've worked at a renown vegan and vegetarian restaurant and I never understood why people didn't just eat veg/tofu stir-fry instead of having us go through so much non-sense to re-invent a burger or a crabcake? The things took so much effort and were an inferior version to the real thing, not to mention the amount of oils necessary to keep them intact.

The closest thing we had was this creole veg serve with polenta, that had tons of oil and butter in the polenta and the creole veg had been marinated in quite a bit of oil along with the spices to keep them moist throughout service.

I'm an omnivore with a massive conservationist mindset, and did Biodynamic Ag. So I just intermittent fast for 16 hours a day and only eat once a day now that I don't farm any more. But I grew up on cantonese food where protein was used sparingly, and unlike most kids in the West we gladly ate tofu and vegetables all year round in our homemade meals.

Eating unadulterated seasonal veg is way tastier than eating a mushroom burger with absurd amounts of oils and saturated fats and breading, smeared with vegan mayo etc... I never ate anything but the soups at work, as the rest of the menu all had so much more stuff added to it that caused a very noticeable feeling of inflammation--which is typical for vegetarians and vegans.

I've ate those impossible burgers when BK launched them and did side by side with a normal whopper when they were on the 2/$5 promo for a while, and the way I ate them (I sauted onions with korean BBQ sauce and garnished with kimchi and maybe an egg if I really had time) you couldn't tell a difference.

But, as a cook I was always perplexed: why put so much inputs into something (burger) that wasn't meant to be eaten more than once a week?

The real issue to the obesity issue in much of the West is a lack of exercise coupled with over consumption of calories, from all sources be it veg or animal protein, instead of having a burger as a treat once a week: many people, mainly the poor, subsist on this stuff due to the race to the bottom price wars typical in fast food paired with a sedentary lifestyle. But the price factor is not as day and night as it's made out to be if you actually have an education on diets suited for your lifestyle, something entirely missing in the US.

I think post-covid people need to take a very serious look at who was really affected by COVID in the West--I'm aware that India is getting hit hard and they have a mainly plant based diet, but this seems mainly due to an inability to convince it's population to follow lock-down, quarantine, or mask wearing measures and an ability to vaccinate due to an ongoing lack of trust in their government.

Most of the deaths in the West were from the elderly population, and the medically ill with a remarkable concentration on people with diabetes, obesity, asthma as the co-morbidity factors.

>The dislikable and anti-social part is, in the end, just because they make feel the rest of us guilty.

Speak for yourself. When I hear vegans try to act like I'm a horrible person on par with people that murder humans like someone did elsewhere in this thread, I don't feel guilty. I simply thing its a ridiculous thing for them to say.

I'm going to leave it at that because unlike that person I don't feel the need to say inflammatory things to someone that has made different choices about what they want to eat.

I'm all for ensuring that animals are treated as well as possible and for regulating the industry to ensure that happens. When I hear about people doing abusive things to livestock I get as mad as any vegan. It should be severely punished.

I can also get behind the idea that we should eat less meat. Its healthier and I can easily see the point that eating a large amount of meat for every single meal like a lot of Americans do it needlessly gratuitous.

Some of my favorite meals are vegetarian meals, but I mean like chickpea or lentil curry and stuff like that. Fake/simulated/lab grown/artificial food is going to be a hard pass for me until it gets good enough to be indistinguishable from the real thing.

I don't think anyone's buying a burger for the health benefits though