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Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Though meatless burgers like beyond may be good for the planet. I'm not sure, if they are healthy for humans. Each serving seems to be very high in sodium (390mg) as compared to lean ground meat (80mg of sodium) [1]. So, for people with high blood pressure, this might be a no no.

[1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/impossible-and-beyond-ho...

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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While it is not my experience at all, I understand that some folks have certain negative opinions of Beyond Burgers, and other fake meat/imitation burgers: - The texture is off - Maybe they cook strangely - Potentially less taste But the most important thing about them, and the reason I urge everyone to at least _try_ Beyond Burgers, is they require no violence against animals. This is not an argument that fairs well…

Actually I don't mind killing animals for my food.

But the environment does matter to me, purely because I selfishly want to live longer and in a better environment.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Why morbid? Even cute and fluffy little critters like rabbits will happily go specifically after flowers with bugs in them if given the chance. The circle of life is far more complicated than herbivores/carnivores and many animals will happily grab a meaty snack if opportunity arises.

Oh because it was in the middle of a drought, and it was pretty clear that the only reason that it was eating meat was due to a severe lacking of anything else to eat

Droughts are horrifying. Animals will simply do what they need to in order to stay alive.

The scary part is that droughts are getting more common.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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I've tried Beyond Burgers and I quite like them. Sure it's not the same, but honestly, I don't really care that it tastes the same. I've also tried other burgers that do not try to mimic burgers and just create a new taste... and I also really like them! sometimes even more.

I believe in just reducing meat consumption. I think meat should be a lot more expensive because when you purchase it, you should pay a tax for the environmental impact. That way, hopefully eating meat becomes a luxury, and not something you eat always at lunch and dinner. And even if it does not, at least the money collected from this tax could go into environmental programs.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Though meatless burgers like beyond may be good for the planet. I'm not sure, if they are healthy for humans. Each serving seems to be very high in sodium (390mg) as compared to lean ground meat (80mg of sodium) [1]. So, for people with high blood pressure, this might be a no no. [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/impossible-and-beyond-ho...

I don't think people tend to eat plain ground beef though? Flavouring/salt is generally added

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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I don't get the feel that you're having a go, no worries :) I think there are two parts to this: we can't raise the animals that folks want to eat without _also_ growing plants to feed those animals, so from my perspective it seems that we can apply most or all points about the negatives of cropping to the cropping that is done to support animal agriculture. So if cropping is bad, it's still bad when we do it for the…

we can't raise the animals that folks want to eat without _also_ growing plants to feed those animals But... we can raise food and dairy animals on a combination of natural range grazing and agricultural byproducts that otherwise need to be disposed of (e.g. cotton seeds, almond hulls, distillers' and brewers' spent grains, etc.)

Not unless worldwide (and particularly US) total meat and dairy consumption drops precipitously.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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I've been feeling more conflicted about consuming meat lately, but it's blanket assertions like this that trigger my inner libertarian hard, and I come out swinging. There is considerable evidence suggesting meat consumption contributed significantly to our cerebral expansion ( https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/701477?mob... ). Unlike most great apes today, whose diet is primarily plant based, we can…

Human evolution is poorly understood, and the assumption that any choice $X supposedly made by early humans led to our forefathers’ anamolously rapid brain development is flatly speculative. > Unlike most great apes today, whose diet is primarily plant based, we can thank the incredible nutrient density in meat and our incredible hunting and tool creating ability for prefrontal cortex development. Complete and utter…

Zero speculation regarding the diets of chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas (well studied and documented) [1].

[2] B12 sources up until it was possible to synthesize in the 60s were exclusively from animal products. Also, if you're even vaguely predisposed to anemia, you will likely struggle getting enough hema-available iron from plant sources without supplementation.

Glad you are able to live off of entirely soybeans, legumes, grains, nuts and seeds. For a lot of people, this isn't sustainable. Would love to see your bloods, discuss athletic performance and energy.

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/diet-and-primate-....

[2] https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessio....

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat. It seems like we are going backwards. You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger. If you really care about th…

Couldn't agree more. It's highly proceeded fake food. I think you could do better by simply eating more veggies and cutting red meat consumption.

yep

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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I am an avid meat-lover but it does play on my conscience that I am in fact eating a former sentient being and potentially contributing to environmental devastation. I would appreciate answers to the following two, albeit simplistic questions that always plaque me when I consider stopping eating meat products: 1) Is it really unethical to eat animals when the natural trajectory of most animals lives was likely to be…

I turned vegan after watching Game Changers: https://gamechangersmovie.com/the-film/where-to-watch/

It was made by a guy who trains soldiers in deadly unarmed combat. He got injured and read that a vegan diet could speed up recovery. Instead of trying to convince with ethical concerns, it gave me plenty of sound logical reasons to eat vegan.

The reason for me to eat organic meat was B12, but 39% of the people eating meat still have a B12 deficiency.

80% of farmland is used for animal husbandry, the size of Africa! We can feed way more than seven billion, if we farm more efficient.

And when the strongest man in the world got there being vegan, i can skip animal products too.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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There was a post of the front-page of reddit a few days ago saying that most Americans are lied to about the fish they are buying in restaurants and supermarkets. I think it hilarious when people like me, urban dwellers, tell me to my face they only buy meat from some small butcher because they only trust him, or some variation of that story. Truth is, we have no idea where our food comes from, labels lie, and seller…

There is a simple solution to this: buy it local. It might solve all issues with the meat (how do they feed these animals, etc.) but you at least know where it comes from. I know it's not possible for everyone, but there is currently a big surge in local farm shops. I'm lucky enough to have a farming cooperative in my town where i can order weekly food from local farms and shops. I eat mostly vegetarian, but it's nic…

Local does prevent harm to animals. Local also does not change the metrics on how resource-intensive the product is (lentils are so much more env friendly than meat it's not the same league).

> decent meat

In my world that does not exist. "Decent" is just the level of harm/destruction that you're willing to accept.

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