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Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by toper-centage »

tomcam wrote: post #264
sweetheart wrote: post #212

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I don't get the feel that you're having a go, no worries :) I think there are two parts to this: we can't raise the animals that folks want to eat without _also_ growing plants to feed those animals, so from my perspective it seems that we can apply most or all points about the negatives of cropping to the cropping that is done to support animal agriculture. So if cropping is bad, it's still bad when we do it for the…

I feel you. I stopped eating meat for 40 years for the same reason. But... they are on the same food chain we are, and they’d eat us in a heartbeat, right?

The nature argument falls apart quicker because we're mainly talking about the massive animal breeding complex we have built where we force breed billions of animals specifically to kill them. If a cow could kill you (in self defense), they would, but most of these cows are never given the chance.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by ipaddr »

crymptonopeicon wrote: post #289
ipaddr wrote: post #170

I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat. It seems like we are going backwards. You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger. If you really care about th…

>If you really care about the planet why are you buying processed anything? If I'm really going to be dead within 100 years, why am I doing anything? Lots of reasons, but the easiest is because it's more enjoyable than the alternative. Who cares if a plant burger is heavily-processed? I like it and I don't have to think about whatever died to bring me my meal. Yes, it would be better if I grew my own lentils and only…

You won't be around but your burger will be.

If you are going to not care about any life in 100 years why should you concern yourself with thoughts of death now?

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by rorykoehler »

sweetheart wrote: post #36

While it is not my experience at all, I understand that some folks have certain negative opinions of Beyond Burgers, and other fake meat/imitation burgers: - The texture is off - Maybe they cook strangely - Potentially less taste But the most important thing about them, and the reason I urge everyone to at least _try_ Beyond Burgers, is they require no violence against animals. This is not an argument that fairs well…

The burgers are full of stuff I wouldn't consider to be food. That's why I don't eat them (regularly at least). I don't think being violent to my own body is a good substitute for violence against animals.

Also I actually like their taste and texture.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by DistressedDrone »

XorNot wrote: post #314
DistressedDrone wrote: post #198

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As a vegetarian, I really don't get why people are so focused on realistic meat replacement. Like, there are other things to eat. I especially don't get why people want the texture of red meat like beef patties. So you like... soft food? There's no arguing tastes, it's just weird to me that that's what other vegetarians would care about.

This is bizarre virtue signalling that you should rein in. The entire world eats meat, and you know that. You almost certainly have some opinions on the moral correctness of animal slaughter for food. So it's not a leap of logic to realize that probably there's a significant cross-over between people who have this view but still like the taste. So I have no idea why you feel like this is a "confusing" product to exis…

I don't get what you're trying to say. Of course people like the taste, but why pretend to eat meat? We all know it's not the same. I'd rather have a real version of something I like than a fake version of something I miss.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by King-Aaron »

cageface wrote: post #250
King-Aaron wrote: post #69

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I have indeed tried them, and they aren't as nice as a real beef burger in my opinion. And as a predatory animal, the fact that something "needs to die" for me to feed doesn't factor into the equation. (Of course, you can certainly reduce cruelty if you move away from a US-style factory farming model). Looking forward to seeing how the technology develops, but yeah. It hasn't changed my habits yet.

So if some day an alien race arrives and starts farming humans for sandwich meat just because they like the way we taste that's fair play as far as you're concerned?

Interesting strawman argument, but yes. What would you plan to do about it?

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Post by theptip »

neuro_image2 wrote: post #298

I am an avid meat-lover but it does play on my conscience that I am in fact eating a former sentient being and potentially contributing to environmental devastation. I would appreciate answers to the following two, albeit simplistic questions that always plaque me when I consider stopping eating meat products: 1) Is it really unethical to eat animals when the natural trajectory of most animals lives was likely to be…

> 2)If I made a personal decision to stop eating meat, would there be any significant impact at all on the overall environment realistically?

I think this is a slippery slope, ethically speaking; you could use the same logic to argue that there is no point reducing your CO2 emissions because there are billions of other people emitting too, or no point in taking any good action like donating to charity because you won’t solve world hunger.

I think having a significant impact on the environment is an unreasonably high bar, as an individual in modern society. All you can do is control your personal impact, and maybe convince some other people too. Maybe eating meat represents 10% of your overall negative impact on the world (maybe more, maybe less, that is up to you to figure out); that would be a significant improvement worthy of effort and praise, even if you alone didn’t change the overall environment.

After all, it’s only by everyone making an individual decision like this that we could actually coordinate to make a big difference to the environment.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by toper-centage »

lambdaba wrote: post #336
ipaddr wrote: post #170

I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat. It seems like we are going backwards. You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger. If you really care about th…

Seed oils are toxic. These fake "meats" are the some of the worst processed foods around. It's sad people are being duped once again by the food industry and medical establishment. This will only further worsen the awful health of the population.

I never understood beyond for a health product though. Is that really their branding?

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by doodirock »

cageface wrote: post #250
King-Aaron wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have indeed tried them, and they aren't as nice as a real beef burger in my opinion. And as a predatory animal, the fact that something "needs to die" for me to feed doesn't factor into the equation. (Of course, you can certainly reduce cruelty if you move away from a US-style factory farming model). Looking forward to seeing how the technology develops, but yeah. It hasn't changed my habits yet.

So if some day an alien race arrives and starts farming humans for sandwich meat just because they like the way we taste that's fair play as far as you're concerned?

I would say yes. Kind of a silly comment really

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by toper-centage »

lambdaba wrote: post #336
ipaddr wrote: post #170

I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat. It seems like we are going backwards. You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger. If you really care about th…

Seed oils are toxic. These fake "meats" are the some of the worst processed foods around. It's sad people are being duped once again by the food industry and medical establishment. This will only further worsen the awful health of the population.

Also, do you have more on thst "seed oils are toxic"? Literally never heard about that.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by toper-centage »

SvenMarquardt wrote: post #256
tootie wrote: post #209

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All food is processed. Cows are genetically engineered. There's no reason to be afraid of simple chemistry. Cranks like Michael Polian have made a fortune selling FUD with no science. Just read a label. Boxed food with a ton of salt and sugar is probably not good for you whether it's corn syrup or agave nectar. Similarly, boxed fiber and protein is perfectly fine. Buying locally is not scalable and fails to take adva…

Real meat is lindy. Fake meat is not. We won't know until multi-decade studies have been done on the health effects of a fake meat diet.

Fortunately, we at least know that meat consumption, specially red meat, is bad for you and a WFPB diet is better. So my suggestion is to use products like beyong as a gateway to a WFPB diet.
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