WTF is this shit? Blame the victimhood?
If you’re living in an unjust world, the solution might not actually come from within; perhaps we could modify it somehow?
Don’t bet the farm on findings from psychology.
Why People Feel Like Victims
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but it is involuntary No and yes. PTSD/trauma is the result of resistance to being. A person resists having their awareness in their body and being there with their emotions during crisis, and instead they are 'in shock' for the duration. This allows confusion or the kind of mental blocks where there is no recollection to happen. Once confusion or mental blocks manifest, it can be quite the challenge to regain clar…
This is condensed pseudo-science given a veneer of acceptability by offhand reference to actual PTSD trauma research and treatment practice in psychiatry.
Is there some reason I should be using 'acceptable' trauma research and treatment practice in psychiatry for my past trauma, when by all measures I have been living an 'ordinary' and 'upwardly moving' life for years without such treatment?
Can your 'acceptable' practices explain how a man can sit in a street motionless while he burns to nothing?
If no, then perhaps it is the case that there is more to this life than what has been deemed 'acceptable'. I don't find modern psychiatry to be acceptable for myself whatsoever. If others deem it a help, then great.
If yes, I am very interested in knowing more.
Oh, I remembered this psychological technique: regression. Thanks for the brain jog.
https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/regres...
Re: Why People Feel Like Victims
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"systemic racism" is intentionally deceptive language. I think you'd be hard-pressed to constructive uses of this jargon where people are actually trying to solve specific, well-defined problems.
Systemic racism isn't intentionally deceptive. It's self explanatory, but just like anything the more you investigate the more layered and multifaceted it becomes. For me it's 3 main things. 1. The way historical oppression can set a group behind another group even after any specific policy has been repealed. Poverty is often a cycle that can go on indefinitely for generations especially depending on things like upwa…
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>>IMO one of the big civil rights achievements was to get rid of that divide. >This never happened. Speaking as an American raised in the 1990s, the cultural programming of my childhood at least made progress in that direction. I was raised on popular TV shows like Sesame Street, Captain Planet, and Power Rangers, which showed people of all races coexisting in settings where race did not divide them. When the issue o…
Off-topic, but I opened the above comment in a new tab (to read replies later) and got this: https://imgur.com/a/pxz1qCS Completely bizarre. Looks like a bunch of 0's got written into memory at random intervals. Is it flaky RAM on the HN server? Has anyone else seen HN content render like this? Reloaded the page, and now everything looks normal. Running memcheck on my laptop as a next step...
Wow! I've never seen anything like that.
Re: Why People Feel Like Victims
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The mere act of caring about your children's schooling, and taking measures to ensure its quality is a far more solid predictor of good outcomes than nearly anything else. At least, that's what economic data from the last fifty years says. These "narratives" are just that, fictional stories told to support a prevailing social ideology, and yes, they are dangerous, not the least because they ignore the facts.
We can debate all day long about the merits of explaining systemic racism to young black kids vs keeping them ignorant about it. However the people ignoring the facts are the ones who deny systemic racism exists. It may be better for children of color to be ignorant about it, but certainly not adults of any racial background.
It's not just about explaining, it's about identity, ideology and activism.
To posit the issues as 'merely explaining' is kind of to strawman people's legit concerns.
CRT, for example, goes way beyond 'explaining' - on purpose.
If this were an in issue of merely 'explaining to people who systematic limitations might work' - and being sufficiently nuanced about it, then I think this whole thing would be a lot less controversial.
I think there's a way for us to talk to kids about the potentialities of systematic racism without using the language of activism.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
"systemic racism" is intentionally deceptive language. I think you'd be hard-pressed to constructive uses of this jargon where people are actually trying to solve specific, well-defined problems.
Systemic racism isn't intentionally deceptive. It's self explanatory, but just like anything the more you investigate the more layered and multifaceted it becomes. For me it's 3 main things. 1. The way historical oppression can set a group behind another group even after any specific policy has been repealed. Poverty is often a cycle that can go on indefinitely for generations especially depending on things like upwa…
"Systemic racism" is a conspiracy theory. It is a very convenient term because it is not disprovable easily yet allow to make a whole group of people responsible to all the problems of another one.
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#237> So victimhood is a learned behavior after a certain age. As a brown guy with kids in the school system, that's why recent trends in education alarm me. I don't want my kids to be taught that there's this amorphous but pervasive "systemic racism" and "white supremacy" out to get people who look like them, but which they can't do anything about. It's dangerous experimentation with kids' psychology. Growing up as one…
You might have been better off not having dwelt on what was in their deepest thoughts, as long as what was in their deepest thoughts did not result in you getting arrested for no reason, getting killed by the very people who you thought existed to protect you for no reason, your kids not getting accepted in the schools, or after school programs they deserved for no reason, etc.
It’s amazing to me that brown people, like myself, who do really well in this country relative to most minorities, live to pretend as if they should just be the model minority without realizing that the only reason they can is because of all the blood sweat and tears spilt by the minority, often black, activists before them.
Of course, the ultimate irony, is that there is no evidence that victim hood is practiced by actual victims. If you consider the past 4 years, for example, it was spent with the President of the United States complaining on a nearly daily basis about everything. His entire base is built on little more than a laundry list of grievances. Their entire political movement at the moment can be reduced to complaining about “cancel culture” which is little more than complaining that white people cannot get well paid speaki by spots to spout racist bullshit.
If victim culture exists on a racial basis in the US, it exists almost entirely within the majority community, which shows that there’s absolutely no evidence that discussing real victimization causes a sense of victim hood amongst victims.
In fact, there’s good reason to believe that understanding that the racism they face might be systemic both allows the victims of the racism to not feel like victims anymore, but instead look for ways to succeed despite it, and allows them to not look negatively upon individuals anymore, because they learn that the racism is systemic and endemic, and as a result, is something that is exhibited by them as well.
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It's learned by going through trauma or PTSD enduring experiences. That's what the empirical data showed. It is not learned by simple teaching and seeing others attitudes, that bit was a non proven hypothesis that the interviewee said they think cultural differences might have an effect, but their experimentation were only done in Israel. So when you hear "learned behavior" don't think as in this is what my parents t…
You're overgeneralizing. The data showed that it can be learned through trauma or PTSD experiences, but to claim "It is not learned by simple teaching and seeing others attitudes" is not defensible. Based on the researcher's comments about kindergarteners, they seem to think it can be learned through simple teaching.
Except they have no evidence for it, so I’m not sure why we should be bothered what they might “think”.
There’s also little a priori reason to believe that might be true.
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A lot of psychotherapy is convincing individuals that they are in control of their actions and can decide how they react to and influence their environment. A lot of what we're teaching now is the opposite. It's like anti-CBT. Teach everyone they are helpless against the nefarious powers that be.
There needs to be nuance for sure. People are still responsible for their own actions and the only way to guarantee you wont succeed is to not try. At the same time there is systemic unfairness both in the legacy of racism that has created inequality and in how society operates to this very day and I don't know how you solve those problems if you don't address them. The status quo is not acceptable to myself or a lot…
You're missing the point. The current narrative of systemic racism and the victimhood culture it creates isnt helping, it's exacerbating the issues and reinforcing itself.
By conditioning people into believing that an outside force is the primary, if not only factor impacting their lack of success, you demotivate them from trying to adjust other factors that could improve their situation. The issue isn't that we address racism, it's that racism has become the end-all rationalisation for any deficiency at the individual level.