what’s with all the shilling of this garbage? i’d rather just have a black bean patty than some fake high sodium garbage that’s meant to emulate meat.
and i mainly eat meat for protein
Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)
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#262I'm generally surprised no one brings up the negative health benefits of processed foods. It is not healthier to get rid of meat only to replace it with high salt chemically processed food that tastes like meat. It seems like we are going backwards. You know what uses less greenhouse emissions, less water and less land? The orginal plant based food that gets processed into a beyond burger. If you really care about th…
All food is processed. Cows are genetically engineered. There's no reason to be afraid of simple chemistry. Cranks like Michael Polian have made a fortune selling FUD with no science. Just read a label. Boxed food with a ton of salt and sugar is probably not good for you whether it's corn syrup or agave nectar. Similarly, boxed fiber and protein is perfectly fine. Buying locally is not scalable and fails to take adva…
> There's no reason to be afraid of simple chemistry
Food chemistry is one of the most complicated chemistries ever. Not only we can't simply construct an argument of safety from first principles but also nutrition labels hardly makes an exhaustive list of the contents and processes involved. Not even mentioning the labeling regulation quirks.
> All food is processed.
This is reduction to absurdity. Even if genetically engineered, the process of cell divisions that end up being a living cow is so complicated that it would lend itself more readily to a claim of integrity, one much stronger than a decade old factory assembly process of dead nutrients. We've co-evolved with the former process for millions of years and created the latter in the last several decades in the name of profit maximization.
Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)
#263That's good and all but the taste is still far off from normal. Impossible is a lot better but still not an exact fit.
Well shit, the taste is slightly off so let's keep killing billions of sentient animals.
I was introduced to the "Hard Problem of Consciousness" some 10 years ago in high school philosophy class, and have been mulling over it ever since. Today I am sympathetic to Dennett's argument in Consciousness Explained: there is no single Cartesian theater, there are several processes in the brain which are the same thing (up to the precision of definition of same) as we internally experience, and many properties we tend to attribute to that features of internal experience, consciousness and "qualia" are myths. My personal favorite hypothesis is that those myths arise from quirks of our ability to talk and think and have a narrative about our experience.
So, if sentience is much less special and much more incoherent phenomenon than the Enlightenment thinkers who made it the crown of the human superiority would have thought, and consequently the whole concept is more akin to teleological physics of Aristotle than an apt name for what really happens ... then attributing moral value to sentience alone seems less compelling take than it initially would seem.
Personally, I find Benjamin Franklin's reasoning to cease vegetarianism quite logical. Animals are allowed to eat animals.
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> Beyond Burgers, is they require no violence against animals. I find this interesting, in that cropping has plenty of violent against animals but one step removed. I have a small cattle property, we run on hill country with diversified ecosystem, mixed grass and bushland. We have a heap of native animals living across the property. And at the end of the day the steers do get sent of for slaughter after 18 to 24 mont…
I don't get the feel that you're having a go, no worries :) I think there are two parts to this: we can't raise the animals that folks want to eat without _also_ growing plants to feed those animals, so from my perspective it seems that we can apply most or all points about the negatives of cropping to the cropping that is done to support animal agriculture. So if cropping is bad, it's still bad when we do it for the…
I feel you. I stopped eating meat for 40 years for the same reason. But... they are on the same food chain we are, and they’d eat us in a heartbeat, right?
Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)
#265Whilst the environmental and animal welfare benefits of many of the ‘fake’ meats (Beyond, Impossible, Vegetarian Butcher, etc) are noble and important, in the spirit of ‘full’ lifecycle analysis, it is important to also consider just how processed (ultra processed) these products are and the potential impacts this has in the human health domain. And the research on ultra processed foods is rather clear, they are ‘bad…
Let's not overlook the fact that most cows raised in massive farms are fed a horrible diet and most beef based products - even raw beef - are also processed and have additives. I'm not saying that Beyond Burger is better or worse, but that pretending all beef is healthy is kind of silly.
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> is they require no violence against animals. And you wonder why people can't take absolutists seriously. The marketing power of the moral superiority concept is no new thing. Pivoting the crux of success of your ideology around an incredibly poor burger filling makes no sense either. In the UK restaurants are being allowed to reopen in 10 days. In London there are an incredible density of steak restaurants which ha…
The person you're replying to has a different opinion from yours and you seem very offended by it. It hasn't got anything to do with lockdown in London, how booked steak restaurants will be there, or how much the "emotionally intelligent people" cringe. This all feels like non sequitur or ad hominem. I eat meat with no plans to stop and I don't have a problem with the comment you're replying to.
It's funny calling this "being offended" when the original post is offended by the idea of eating meat to the point of calling it unethical.
Not that there's anything wrong with being offended if you think a moral evil is happening, but it's hard to call defending yourself after being accused of evil deeds "being offended by a different opinion"
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I really enjoy both BeyondBeef and Impossible Burger. My thoughts are that BeyondBeef has a kind of plastic-y smell, but is almost exactly right in terms of color and texture. The smell is not concerning to me, but it is distinct for my palette. I still eat it, and don't mind. Aside from the burgers, I also really enjoy the spicy Italian sausages. There is a slightly different taste than pork-based sausages, but I wo…
As a vegetarian, I really don't get why people are so focused on realistic meat replacement. Like, there are other things to eat. I especially don't get why people want the texture of red meat like beef patties. So you like... soft food? There's no arguing tastes, it's just weird to me that that's what other vegetarians would care about.
Beef remains the gold-standard, so to speak.
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As a vegetarian, I really don't get why people are so focused on realistic meat replacement. Like, there are other things to eat. I especially don't get why people want the texture of red meat like beef patties. So you like... soft food? There's no arguing tastes, it's just weird to me that that's what other vegetarians would care about.
I don’t get it either, as someone who is not a strict vegetarian but also doesn’t eat a lot of meat. For someone that really loves meat, they are going to be supremely disappointed by that product. Similarly, I think most vegetarians would be be disappointed by that product. (I greatly prefer traditional veggie burgers.) It fits a weird market niche. I think most people that buy it would be better served with really…
I'm a vegetarian that eats the fake meat and I'm glad it exists even if it's not perfect.
I love hamburgers and for me, it's the biggest loss after becoming a vegetarian. Impossible is the closest I can get to recreating that experience.
I switched to vegetarian because of the animal suffering/morality angle. I have for a long time felt that it was the right thing to do, but I liked eating meat so it was hard for me to do it. The pandemic gave me an opportunity to make the switch and be more consistent.
Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)
#269And 90% less humans, you can't grow crops on land only suitable for livestock.
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Yeah, I was disappointed in it at first but after becoming vegetarian it's really nice to have it even if it's not perfect. When you have it with all the condiments it's good enough.
Have you tried the Impossible Whopper? I was pretty impressed by it. I still get it once in a while since it's pretty good and something different.
I haven't tried the whopper yet, but that's mostly because I only really eat Burger King in airports. Looking forward to trying it though.