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Post by pasabagi »

kebman wrote: post #658
pasabagi wrote: post #576

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The old, rich, and stupid. One of the things that has been blowing my mind recently is the awareness of how many wars happen as a result of accident, miscommunication, and institutional inertia. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour started off as a hypothetical 'how could we win a potential war with the US', then over time, gained so much momentum that even though its principal architect thought it was a very bad ide…

Wasn't there a whole ordeal with competing entities, even within national organizations and army branches, who were all zealously entrenched in their own little jurisdictions?

That too - but that's present in any state. Japan just had the weirdest combination of resting all authority in the emperor, while having a strong tradition of the emperor never exercising any practical authority. So you get stuff like the creation of a puppet state in Manchuria essentially against the will of the Japanese prime minister.

I think the basic structure of a leader that theoretically has absolute power, but practically speaking is a kind of empty suit, is actually pretty generalizable and common. Japan is an extreme example, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Iraq war was the result of a similar combination of institutional momentum and leadership vacuum[0].

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Post by natmaka »

mindslight wrote: post #648
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> Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have changed it, because the kid was at fault? No. "A trooper-involved fatal shooting..." is indeed blurry, and in my opinion the active voice isn't much better because for many (most?) readers it conveys that the cop action was fully intentional, however in such a context things are much more complicated than that. It doesn't assign fault, indeed, but a more adequate title ma…

The act is fully intentional. When you pick up a gun, aim it at someone, put your finger on the trigger, and pull, your intent is to kill. That's like one of the first things they tell you in any gun safety course. That intent may have been an overreaction. It may have been a mistake. It may have been based on an incorrect understanding of the situation. It may have even been justified. But regardless, the trooper di…

Indeed, and I didn't deny it. We all call for a more objective and neutral way to concisely describe the facts. In my opinion it implies to state any pertinent element. Here: the context, which always has a major influence on intentions/choices.

My point is that a press title "In a chaotic situation a trooper shot and killed..." seems more appropriate to me. Do you agree?

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Post by throwaway8581 »

concordDance wrote: post #666
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Nah. There was quite recently a very interesting article about personality differences across sex on this very website. But being suuper interested in "human biodiversity" without going through the upfront pain of explaining to the reader that you aren't trying to rehash a lot of old racist garbage is, well, a huge red flag.

Also, there are actual HBD blogs and communities and they're frankly pretty uninterested in the african-american vs european-american thing and far more interested in the movements and traits of all sorts of obscure people groups I've never heard of. While also being interested in things your typical white supremicist wouldn't think about like differences between Scottish and South-Western English peoples.

I would also not publish in areas that would lead to complete ostracization from academia.

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Post by spoonjim »

ta_ca wrote: post #480
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There's a site called theync.com(I suggest not going there), which was always more gruesome than LiveLeak. I never understood how they operate. Always thought search engines should ban the site or something.

clicked a few light links (no gore, no blood) and the more shocking part was the comments... they can't be real people, it has got to be a bot and/or honeypot of some kind.

They are real commenters but they’re in a game to say the most provocative stuff they can in a pseudonymous forum.

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Post by spoonjim »

techrat wrote: post #269
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it's just sick entertainment covered by explanation "I need to see how horrible the world is", and being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives. There're better ways to educate yourself and make the world a better place.

> you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives The way you phrase this makes it sound like you think people intentionally create these videos where people die just to post it to LiveLeak for people to be entertained by. A lot of it was stuff that was going to happen anyway that happened to be caught on film.

The things happening on LiveLeak would happen anyway but the videotaping wouldn’t happen without an audience.

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Post by Matticus_Rex »

ezconnect wrote: post #307
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Compared to what? There are very few places in the world with the kind of violence that has been commonplace for most of world history. Yes, violent things happen everywhere, but most people in most places don't have to worry for their physical safety most of the time. That's a relatively new phenomenon.

You need to go explore the world some more if that is your point of view.

I've spent significant time in developing countries (outside the touristy parts), but the claim was based on statistics on world violence. Is it still bad in some places and worse in most places than we would like it to be? Sure. Is it near a historic low? Also yes.

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Post by Matticus_Rex »

forgetfulness wrote: post #130
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Compared to what? There are very few places in the world with the kind of violence that has been commonplace for most of world history. Yes, violent things happen everywhere, but most people in most places don't have to worry for their physical safety most of the time. That's a relatively new phenomenon.

The thing is that people living in these places that are unprecedentedly peaceful, in the way that HN likes to trot out whenever someone points out the ugliness of the world, may end up voting apathetically for leaders that have their war machine making the world far less peaceful in places that are out of sight and out of mind. Sites like Liveleak may remind you that war isn't the choreography that your governments…

Oh, no, I'm 100% on board with you there. But in terms of total violence in real terms, even with imperialist violence of world powers, we're a smidge away from historic lows of global violence.

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Post by sizzle »

AJ007 wrote: post #531
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Years ago a lived with someone one who loved to watch videos of people getting hit by cars. I watched a bunch of these by proxy. The thing that still sticks in my mind is that almost none of them were jaywalking. It was almost always a car running a red light. The people that got hit put too much faith in the lights.

In consistently dangerous intersections it can actually be much safer not to cross at the crosswalk. You are basically in a situation where it is perceived as safe because you expect the cars to stop; however, if they don't stop, you are immediately in trouble with no exit.

I can’t wait till all cars use positively reinforced computer vision to slam the brakes when anticipating human impact, coupled with intelligent inferences from gps intersection coordinate, senses the red light or stop sign, lack of flow of traffic from surrounding vehicles in your direction and movement in opposite direction.

That is until we get L4(?) autonomous cars. People should not be getting hit by cars in 2021, why is this not solved yet?! C’mon car manufacturers, use your billions in revenue to solve these ‘human driver error resulting in death’ class of problems instead of distracting drivers even more by removing usable tactile buttons for affordance-less touchscreens and shaving off a few cents in production costs.

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Post by nirui »

u801e wrote: post #599
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> These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. Couldn't agree more. When I was a 7 years old, a road near my home was undergo an expansion. The work involves a lots of heavy and big machines, including heavy trucks etc. During that time, me and almost all other kid was warned to not go near those machines, "Don't play near those things, it's dangerous". But none of…

> Many years later, after I've grow up and start to understand the value of lives, one day I stumble upon a video showing a middle school aged student ridding a bike down a road, and got crashed by a turning lorry Unfortunately, this is a relatively common way for cyclists to die. The easy way to prevent it is to never try to pass a truck/lorry near an intersection.

What most shocking fact it, the driver didn't even notice the poor kid. The blind spot that people constantly talking about is real and many people lose their life to it.

Sad thing is, most people I know don't know about anything of it, they still assumes that the driver will take care of everything.

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Post by nonbirithm »

koolhaas wrote: post #385
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What does this say about people who cannot see this kind of footage without becoming traumatized? Is it right to just call them incapable of handling the truth? I had seen some things in the past, on similar channels (4chan). The result was that when someone else had to drive me somewhere on a freeway I became so hopelessly anxious that I was constantly reminding them to drive slower, or just not drive me at all, bec…

I’m sorry to hear about your anxiety, it sounds terrible to have to process those feelings in such everyday situations. You shouldn’t feel bad about the way your mind has dealt with experiencing horrific videos, and how it has led to anxiety around death and risk assessment. It’s not normal to witness or experience such events, especially when they are concentrated and amplified on a site like LiveLeaks. We simply ha…

I'm not speaking hypothetically; I have spoken to many different therapists over the years. I attempted to seek out ones that would practice cognitive behavioral therapy, but because I guess I'm not good at finding them, I've had ones that tell me they'd rather do things their way. This is after having to switch from one to another and restart the relationship if it doesn't work out. I don't think I can recall any single person I've attempted to cooperate with ultimately producing a positive outcome yet. Seeing someone who is a stranger to you every few months with the expectation that you'll have to open up and explain the darkest aspects of yourself all over again is very draining after it's been repeated too many times.

I absolutely could be doing this wrong, but every time it doesn't work out I tend to lose faith. I wanted therapy to work out for myself, and the people around me are still telling me that I should keep trying to get into therapy, as if it's the last and only option left for me to improve my life, as if there is no other practical way of treating my issues. Given that nobody around me has professional knowledge of the techniques, and that my friends and family are generally not going to want to listen to everything that's on my mind, I'm inclined to believe them. I probably just haven't found the right person for me yet.

About all the people close to me say is "finding a good therapist is hard" and leave it at that. They're not wrong, but I'm trying to figure out how to work around this problem, and it's frustrating. I'm currently on a wait-list for several, and I will only potentially be able to see them for the first time after several months at minimum, perhaps because the pandemic has caused an overwhelming demand for mental health services.

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