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Why are there so many unfinished buildings in Africa?

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Re: Why are there so many unfinished buildings in Africa?

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The college kids are paying money for food and lodging. They're basically paying for an adventure and a cozy feeling and they get that. People in poor countries don't need scrawny wealthy college kids to help them build mud huts that are "good enough" as long as they look like they won't collapse. Not to mention that most of those kids probably have no prior experience building anything by hand or the physical streng…

Deluded HN commenter (or HN hater, with your nickname) thinks people in poor/developing countries would make such elaborate scams. As I've replied upthread, the kids could just be told to carry bricks and wooden planks (and hammer some nails in - it's not rocket science) and they'd probably feel glad they contributed. If I wanted to scam some Western kids, I'd just start a construction company, get them to volunteer,…

How is this a scam? The kids got what they paid for and the locals got paid. It might be a scam if the agency is pocketing most of the money but then we're not talking about people in poor countries making scams but Westerners scamming Westerners.

Did you watch the NRA guy's "elephant safari" footage? Rich people in Western countries pay good money for "hunts" with their only involvement being to pull the trigger for the final shot on the already downed and dying fully domesticated animal. No need to go through he hassle of actually teaching a foreigner to read tracks and shoot straight first if they just want to feel like they accomplished something.

The point isn't to scam Western kids. The point is to provide a service. The Western kids get to "help" build something, the locals get money to actually pay for people to build it properly (or literally anything else because unlike unskilled volunteer labor, money can be exchanged for goods and services).

I'm genuinely surprised you seem to think poor countries are poor in a way that can be solved with an influx of unskilled labor. Poor countries lack money, not unskilled labor.

What's going to convince more rich Western kids to do "charity work" in your country? Using them as the untrained and unskilled labor they likely are and telling them to haul bricks for a week until they are sick of it or hurt themselves, or letting them feel like they meaningfully contribute without overexerting themselves and then clean up when they're gone so you can go back to doing something productive? Contrast the PR implications of "yeah, I went there and they only let me haul bricks for two days until I threw my back out and now I might not get the football stipend" versus "yeah, I went there and helped them build a school but I heard they had to rebuild it later". People are much more likely to glorify the later (even if they didn't contribute much) and to dramatize the former ("the food was terrible, the weather was bad, there were mosquitos everywhere, I couldn't get any sleep, I was constantly in pain and they had no doctors"). Even without getting into liability, letting the wealthy foreign kid "play" rather than do anything actually important or dangerous to them seems a far safer option.

They're selling an experience and there's a lot of money in doing that. It's just another form of tourism.

Re: Why are there so many unfinished buildings in Africa?

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post #171

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Deluded HN commenter (or HN hater, with your nickname) thinks people in poor/developing countries would make such elaborate scams. As I've replied upthread, the kids could just be told to carry bricks and wooden planks (and hammer some nails in - it's not rocket science) and they'd probably feel glad they contributed. If I wanted to scam some Western kids, I'd just start a construction company, get them to volunteer,…

How is this a scam? The kids got what they paid for and the locals got paid. It might be a scam if the agency is pocketing most of the money but then we're not talking about people in poor countries making scams but Westerners scamming Westerners. Did you watch the NRA guy's "elephant safari" footage? Rich people in Western countries pay good money for "hunts" with their only involvement being to pull the trigger for…

Them throwing out their backs is your fantasy of what would happen. Even bricklaying or putting up roof shingles isn't something so hard that it takes more than an hour of training. And with the right amount of "Thank you white kid!", those kids will feel they've greatly contributed either way.

Whatever, I'll still think it's an urban legend until someone posts some credible links that says "It's true".

Re: Why are there so many unfinished buildings in Africa?

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Actually, what those African nations need is a tiny enclave, a special economic zone, that has the rule of law and is kept stable at all costs where western nations can invest as much as they please, while leaving the rest of the country alone so that the rest of the country can catch up to the standard of living of that enclave, without western influence.

Can you give examples of where this has been tried before. Also, this sounds like how we were colonized the first time. Giving enclaves to the French and the British that became staging posts for full colonization

I'm a bit late, but I suspect the poster is referring to a theoretical city type called a charter city[1], much pushed by the economist Paul Romer.

None have been built, although both Madagascar and Honduras briefly considered the idea. The theory is presumably inspired by Hong Kong, but obviously Hong Kong wasn't set up with any such purpose.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_city_(economic_develop...

Re: Why are there so many unfinished buildings in Africa?

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King Leopold of Belgium and 200 white advisors ruled all of the African Congo with a mostly black army that they assembled. I can't find anything about the Gambino family having assets in Africa.

Great point, though I suspect being a king and having a whole country and army support your colonisation of a country is outside the power of most people. Edit: I get your point now that the king paid locals to help cause "crimes against humanity" ... I'd say given modern media practices that a mafia don doing something similar would be most difficult. This thread reminds me of the Netflix TV show Lillyhammer on a sm…

>the king paid locals to help cause "crimes against humanity"

That's actually not true. King Leopold forbade his soldiers from using indigenous fighting and torture practices, but some divisions with black commanders continued the practice against the king's orders. Leopold was criticized in the Belgian press for allowing black officers to command as those atrocities were viewed as a foreseeable outcome of such policy.

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