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Why People Feel Like Victims

nautil.us

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Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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It's popular to be a victim these days. Much more popular than I recall it being earlier in my lifetime. It even goes so far as to regard people who aren't victims with contempt.

Interestingly, and from my anecdotal experience, this seems to be true across political and ideological divides.

Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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post #3

It's popular to be a victim these days. Much more popular than I recall it being earlier in my lifetime. It even goes so far as to regard people who aren't victims with contempt.

Interestingly, and from my anecdotal experience, this seems to be true across political and ideological divides.

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Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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I'll be more brazen. I don't know about other countries, but if you live in the US and am an adult of sound mind and body, you're not a victim.

If your life isn't working for you, reassess your situation, develop a plan, and get busy!

Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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Pretty boring article, just paints a psychological profile of a what a "victim" is, but then it gets spicy:

>This is just my hypothesis, but there are certain societies, particularly those with long histories of prolonged conflict, where the central narrative of the society is a victim-oriented narrative, which is the Jewish narrative. It’s called “perpetual victimhood.” Children in kindergarten learn to adopt beliefs that Israelis suffer more than Palestinians, that they always have to protect themselves and struggle for their existence. What’s interesting is the way in which this narrative enables people to internalize a nation’s history and to connect past and present suffering.

I don't think Palestinians would agree with that. This particular dichotomy is fascinating, but impossible to discuss because you're discarded as an antisemite immediately if you disagree that Israelis are victims.

Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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Provocative. What he describes as TIV seems like a transparent proxy for sadism and some other dark personality traits and disorders.

We get what we reward, kids do what works for them, and while there is a massive amount of prior art on solutions to mitigating this, I think we're in a spot where we never thought there would be such an acute need to explain to adults what this issue is, and so we've been culturally backfooted in producing critical tools for dealing with it.

Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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post #3

It's popular to be a victim these days. Much more popular than I recall it being earlier in my lifetime. It even goes so far as to regard people who aren't victims with contempt.

Interestingly, and from my anecdotal experience, this seems to be true across political and ideological divides.

True, but it's been weaponized extremely well by one side in recent years (2012~14 and onwards). Reminds me a lot of how it was weaponized by the other side in the late 80s and 90s.

Re: Why People Feel Like Victims

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I'll be more brazen. I don't know about other countries, but if you live in the US and am an adult of sound mind and body, you're not a victim. If your life isn't working for you, reassess your situation, develop a plan, and get busy!

Is this a moral or a factual statement?

I guess I'd reject the whole victim/perpetrator dichotomy and say that people's conditions are contingent on forces largely out of their control. That's a factual statement. Lots of people and societies find this very uncomfortable - we generally like the cosmos to be largely about us, down to our decisions, both for the better and for the worse.

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