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Post by the_only_law »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #538
wayoutthere wrote: post #415

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Just a nitpick; there is no alt-left: leftism has deep historical roots in the French Revolution that predate liberalism (which is by definition a centrist ideology). The left is the left, the right wing just calls centrist liberals leftist.

Just to nitpick some more. Alt-Right is a new term, a neologism. In current research it’s seen as a conflated term. This is due to it not actually being an “alternative ideology” since it matches to already existing ideologies. It’s a set of ideologies that are under Far-Right politics on the Left-Right political spectrum. [1] While there is literally not an “Alt-Left” there are 100% Far-Left ideologies that a a hypo…

The “alt-left” label is a bit eye roll inducing to me because it seems completely synthesized as some tit-for-tat term for political argument and slurring. Whereas alt-right originated from reactionaries as a more of a self descriptive term (for some reason I thought it was Steve Bannon who first coined it but Wikipedia says it originated with Richard Spencer). Admittedly though it got appropriated as another boring catch-all slur.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by jm__87 »

dTal wrote: post #521
jm__87 wrote: post #478

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What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Your tone suggests you can't imagine any, which is... surprising. There are a vast array of things you can do to make driving safer, at the cost of making it less accessible and/or more expensive. Different countries already set their threshold differently - in the US, a driving test takes 20 minutes and everyone passes, while in the UK it takes 40 minutes and most people fail the first time. And lo and behold, 4 tim…

I guess I didn't ask the right question here. My issue is with the statement "the vast majority of accidents are due to bad policy". I would disagree with this statement. Some people occasionally make bad decisions when they drive or get distracted and cause accidents. How do you create a policy to keep people from occasionally getting distracted or making a risky choice. You can't. Most people who are driving in a risky manner know how to drive safely, know that their behavior is not appropriate and they do it anyway because they don't care or think they can get away with it. Almost every person I have met who is a bad driver says something like "it's a risk I'm willing to take" or "I know the risks" without any thought about the fact that their behavior is putting others at risk as well. The only thing that usually changes these people's behavior is getting in an accident, at which point you just hope they didn't injure someone else too badly. Even then, I know of people who have been in accidents who still drive horribly. I'm convinced the problems are more cultural than anything else.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by reportingsjr »

jazzabeanie wrote: post #479
natmaka wrote: post #454

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In China popular video channels available on popular apps (Wechat...) quite frequently stream accidents (nearly always catched by surveillance video surveillance), mainly traffic accident, sometimes work-related and even domestic violence. The "didactic" tone is quite patent: don't jaywalk, drive and use machinery with care, use adequate protective gear...

Years ago a lived with someone one who loved to watch videos of people getting hit by cars. I watched a bunch of these by proxy. The thing that still sticks in my mind is that almost none of them were jaywalking. It was almost always a car running a red light. The people that got hit put too much faith in the lights.

It's amazing the narrative that is spun around cars and the deaths they cause.

Take a closer look at the "accident" reports you see in newspapers. It's disgusting how many times reports of people and children getting hit on sidewalks, sitting on benches, etc is spun as their fault for not getting out of the way of the person driving the car!!

There's been a bit of a grassroots push to get journalists to stop calling them accidents and start calling them crashes, so drivers aren't automatically pardoned in reader's minds.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by tfp137 »

kebman wrote: post #447
nostromo wrote: post #27

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War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

I remember seeing that video of American special forces being shot down in Africa. I did my due in the army myself, but thankfully I never saw combat. I do know a lot of vets, tho, and... they've all got PTSD and many of them are in a very bad shape. After seeing that video, I've been even more thankful. For me it serves as a clear warning that joining the army isn't all glory, even if you're fighting for "the right…

The "other side of the world" wars are mostly fought by the young, because they haven't developed enough skepticism to ask whether what they're being asked to do benefits the country as a whole, or only certain actors and industries. The old and rich start wars, the young and poor fight them.

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Post by Clubber »

rocqua wrote: post #211
Clubber wrote: post #174

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I took it really seriously when I saw videos of hospitals in NYC stacking bodies in a freezer truck because there were just too many. They should have shown that more. I usually assume anchors and reporters exaggerate for ratings today, so they've lost a lot of credibility. When I see a video, I get an unfiltered view of what's going on. As a side note, I implore people to watch police interaction videos and how ofte…

Video tends to be more truthful, but news outlets who lie to you, will also only show video that supports their point. Video helps drive a point home emotionally, but it is not at all a source of less biased reporting. Driving a point home emotionally is important, and the point 'covid bad' seems like it needs to be driven home more. But don't believe news just cause it shows videos.

>but news outlets who lie to you, will also only show video that supports their point.

Oh absolutely. I was thinking more of citizen journalist videos which are typically uncut. One example I know of is when the news video has a hard cut, they're trying to manipulate it. This is pretty common, and they use it often when showing videos of people speaking.

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Post by dvdgsng »

mekkkkkk wrote: post #516
dvdgsng wrote: post #476

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pdf freely available here (EN version): https://web.archive.org/web/20210206111359/https://www.levan...

Oh! Good find. Wasn't quite as graphic as I recall, but I remember that photo of the dying, seemingly terrified child on the sidewalk very well. Glancing through it now I gotta say I'm quite impressed by it. Interesting that they note how the book was "initially intended for adults" in the foreword.

tbh that part about the 600 kids hit me hard enough even without explicit graphics

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by RamblingCTO »

meowkit wrote: post #384
RamblingCTO wrote: post #381

Very weird comment section. It feels really weird to me that you need videos of people blowing up and getting killed to get a reality check. Reading about it and being empathetic should really be enough. Are you guys so out of touch with yourselves and the world? And is it really necessary to consume this taxing content? I mean, I've seen a lot. I lurked on 4chan/krautchan in the early days. But I'm not so sure that…

Its not a reality check its more akin to mindfulness meditation. Momento mori, a reminder that it is so easy to die of stupid things in this world. > I can imagine that it sends some people down the drain and incentivises violence. As far as I’m aware, this is not the case for video games and violent movies, so I don’t buy it for liveleak content. Propoganda for terrorism and cartels is a whole other argument though.

> Its not a reality check its more akin to mindfulness meditation. Momento mori, a reminder that it is so easy to die of stupid things in this world.

I find it very weird that you need gore for a memento mori.

> As far as I’m aware, this is not the case for video games and violent movies, so I don’t buy it for liveleak content.

Well, if I think about how I felt while watching this stuff (very, very uneasy) versus how I felt while gaming or watching movies I'd say there's quite a difference. So I would argue that the brain indeed processes those things differently.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by [deleted] »

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

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Post by throwaway8581 »

derangedHorse wrote: post #537
throwaway8581 wrote: post #519

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Human biodiversity, intelligence variation, black-on-white and black-on-Asian crime statistics, connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, George Floyd saying “I can’t breathe” before the officers ever touched him and having a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, rate of unarmed blacks killed by police being lower than the black proportion of violent crime. All of these 100% true facts (no value judgments in…

I think your value judgements show through the things you listed and your assertion of all those things being 100% true. The lethal dose comment has already had solid rebuttal arguments disproving the statement. That mixed in with your comment about him saying “I can’t breathe” also seems to imply more ambiguity of fault at his death and ignored the fact Floyd also stated he was claustrophobic right before that. I’m…

Well it's true that certain world views are incompatible with knowledge of certain facts.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by SamBam »

reportingsjr wrote: post #543
jazzabeanie wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago a lived with someone one who loved to watch videos of people getting hit by cars. I watched a bunch of these by proxy. The thing that still sticks in my mind is that almost none of them were jaywalking. It was almost always a car running a red light. The people that got hit put too much faith in the lights.

It's amazing the narrative that is spun around cars and the deaths they cause. Take a closer look at the "accident" reports you see in newspapers. It's disgusting how many times reports of people and children getting hit on sidewalks, sitting on benches, etc is spun as their fault for not getting out of the way of the person driving the car!! There's been a bit of a grassroots push to get journalists to stop calling…

While we're at it, let's see if we can fix "officer-related shooting" too.

The most recent one I saw: "A trooper-involved fatal shooting in Leonardtown that ended in the death of a 16-year-old."

Both the "trooper-related" and the "ended in" passive voice to avoid saying "a trooper shot and killed a child."

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