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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. You complain about some sites being alt-right cesspools, as if being a cesspool is not bad on its own.

They are cesspools because they are filled with alt-right bigots

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Of course "cesspool" is bad, "alt-right cesspool" is the same amount of badness. The reason you don't see a lot of "alt-left cesspool"s is because usually those people don't need to hide on alternative social media, as the mainstream ones are fine with alt-left people. Alt-right are the ones who are currently being fired if their opinion are being shared publicly. Now I'm neither of those, and have no fists in the fi…

I think alt-left people just bail on the whole scene, and what remains is Left cesspools; namely Twitter and Reddit.

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What are those wholesome alt-right viewpoints?

Seems we're already getting a bit heated, as neither you nor I mentioned something about "wholesomeness" but here we are. My point is not that alt-right opinions are wholesome, but rather that since they don't have a lot of places they can write their opinions without getting overrun by opposition, it's only natural they'll retract into properties where they can freely talk. For example: If you're of the opinion that…

Saying homosexuality shouldn’t be legal isn’t an opinion, it’s bigotry. Viewpoints that infringe on a persons rights are not opinions, it’s discrimination. I agree people should be able to speak freely but I also believe in standards. To take another example, if somebody has the “opinion” that women shouldn’t be able to refuse their husbands sexual advances, is this discussion that is acceptable or is it bigotry? Should people be able to openly discuss their “opinion” that adults should be able to have sex with minors? What if their opinion is that they should be allowed to kill homosexuals? There is a line. Idealism only goes so far.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Liveleak doesn't portray the reality of war because it shows you some beheading. Voyeurism and gore are not the same as genuine insight into what scary and violent places are actually like. It's worth reading Baudrillard's ' The Gulf War Did Not Take Place ' on how media representation, and stylized, selective footage is used to distort. You didn't get to know the 'reality' of war, but the hyper-reality of it. If you…

A LiveLeak showing how people sitting in offices design these narratives and sell them to the public would be genuinely revolutionary - especially if it also showed uncensored video of the gore and horror of the results. IMO Baudrillard and the rest of Critical Theory are absolutely useless at this. The language is obscure, self-indulgent, self-aggrandising, and exclusive. Instead of revealing the reality of how thes…

Well said man.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. You complain about some sites being alt-right cesspools, as if being a cesspool is not bad on its own.

Of course "cesspool" is bad, "alt-right cesspool" is the same amount of badness. The reason you don't see a lot of "alt-left cesspool"s is because usually those people don't need to hide on alternative social media, as the mainstream ones are fine with alt-left people. Alt-right are the ones who are currently being fired if their opinion are being shared publicly. Now I'm neither of those, and have no fists in the fi…

I'm of the opinion that ignorance and closed-mindedness is the problem, not what ignorant and closed-minded people come up with. Can't fight fire with fire. That's why I don't think that we should identify them with their ideas. For the purposes of society, their discussions on that site are (supposedly) destructive. That's all the information we need to have a wholesome debate.

To withdraw to identifying people with their world-views is to give up on having a meaningful relationship. We do it because we can't tolerate them. The conclusion of that train of reactions is violence.

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I saw a couple/few videos on LL and it shocked me to the core. I never wanted to see that kind of thing again. But I also wish that everyone could witness it without becoming psychotic about it, to have a visual imprint of 'as bad as it gets', and hopefully do something about it or at least avoid perpetuating those actions. But that would never happen. A whole lot of people will go to very desperate measures to avoid…

This reminded me of an initiative that the Swedish government had going for a number of years, where they distributed a very graphic (lots of pictures) and cold description of the Holocaust to middle school students. The whole point of it was (as far as I can tell) to establish a compass of what true evil looks like, to never let history repeat itself. The title of the book was literally "Tell Ye Your Children", and…

pdf freely available here (EN version):

https://web.archive.org/web/20210206111359/https://www.levan...

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It's powerful, important content, but collecting and promoting it as shock entertainment, entirely out of context, doesn't strike me as the right way to do it. Our media's lack of willingness to portray the human cost of our overseas exploits is clearly a huge problem, but I don't think this really addressed it. It's all impact without usable information. While incredibly violent things do happen in the world regular…

WatchPeopleDie was supposed to do this. I wish the mods had been better about the garbage comments, but even then I think the reddit admins were hell-bent on shutting down any subs they didn't personally like. But I agree fullheartedly. Seeing such things really made me 'feel' how precious life is and how terrible the world can be. It helped me navigate moving to Europe a few times, even.

> but even then I think the reddit admins were hell-bent on shutting down any subs they didn't personally like.

Or shutting down subs that might make the site advertiser unfriendly.

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The difference is not only the scale of things but especially that a war is caused by people, on purpose, too often with the consent of their population. Car accidents are exactly that, accidents.

The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

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Sometimes, just a story is enough. I read about a father who drove over his child while backing up. He thought his child was under his wife's supervision. Since then, all my cars have the rear view camera.

In China popular video channels available on popular apps (Wechat...) quite frequently stream accidents (nearly always catched by surveillance video surveillance), mainly traffic accident, sometimes work-related and even domestic violence. The "didactic" tone is quite patent: don't jaywalk, drive and use machinery with care, use adequate protective gear...

Years ago a lived with someone one who loved to watch videos of people getting hit by cars. I watched a bunch of these by proxy. The thing that still sticks in my mind is that almost none of them were jaywalking. It was almost always a car running a red light. The people that got hit put too much faith in the lights.

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Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

There's a site called theync.com(I suggest not going there), which was always more gruesome than LiveLeak. I never understood how they operate. Always thought search engines should ban the site or something.

clicked a few light links (no gore, no blood) and the more shocking part was the comments... they can't be real people, it has got to be a bot and/or honeypot of some kind.
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