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Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by afrodc_ »

haolez wrote: post #5

A little off topic, but if you are going with mostly managed services and you don't use k8s, what would you do to have decent tracing and observability? I'm currently using a combination of FaaS and cloud queues, for example.

Have you looked into instrumenting zipkin or opentracing? I instrumented zipkin in a Java project and found it generally pretty easy

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by Agentlien »

jhgb wrote: post #3

Presumably a completely different Pixie from the open-source one at https://sourceforge.net/projects/pixie/ ?

It's interesting to see these names which are used by several projects.

When I saw Pixie my first thought was the component of PIX[0] which installs itself on the Xbox.

[0] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/pix

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by pabs3 »

Agentlien wrote: post #12
jhgb wrote: post #3

Presumably a completely different Pixie from the open-source one at https://sourceforge.net/projects/pixie/ ?

It's interesting to see these names which are used by several projects. When I saw Pixie my first thought was the component of PIX[0] which installs itself on the Xbox. [0] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/pix

Pixie gets a lot of use both within tech and outside of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(disambiguation)

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by pranay01 »

afrodc_ wrote: post #11
haolez wrote: post #5

A little off topic, but if you are going with mostly managed services and you don't use k8s, what would you do to have decent tracing and observability? I'm currently using a combination of FaaS and cloud queues, for example.

Have you looked into instrumenting zipkin or opentracing? I instrumented zipkin in a Java project and found it generally pretty easy

You can check out DataDog or NewRelic - they do a decent job if you are looking for SaaS. If you are looking for open source products - checkout SigNoz (https://github.com/signoz/signoz)

Disclaimer: I am one of the maintainers of SigNoz

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by asim »

Having just seen JBD from AWS mention now working on this project full time my complete assumption is that AWS will offer it as a service and this isn't possible if the licensing goes in the direction of blocking commercialisation. Since the startup that was building this got acquired by New Relic and Peter Fenton serves on that board I assume they're trying to attack this strategically in a different way. If that's not that case then this is otherwise a fairly naive effort or moreso about drive large scale adoption with open monetisation around it by everyone who wants to.

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by pranay01 »

asim wrote: post #16

Having just seen JBD from AWS mention now working on this project full time my complete assumption is that AWS will offer it as a service and this isn't possible if the licensing goes in the direction of blocking commercialisation. Since the startup that was building this got acquired by New Relic and Peter Fenton serves on that board I assume they're trying to attack this strategically in a different way. If that's…

So, does that mean that AWS and New Relic can both offer a cloud version of Pixie. In that case, won't that be a bad deal for New Relic - since they acquired Pixie?

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by asim »

pranay01 wrote: post #18
asim wrote: post #16

Having just seen JBD from AWS mention now working on this project full time my complete assumption is that AWS will offer it as a service and this isn't possible if the licensing goes in the direction of blocking commercialisation. Since the startup that was building this got acquired by New Relic and Peter Fenton serves on that board I assume they're trying to attack this strategically in a different way. If that's…

So, does that mean that AWS and New Relic can both offer a cloud version of Pixie. In that case, won't that be a bad deal for New Relic - since they acquired Pixie?

You can basically do anything with an Apache 2.0 licensed project and that's the point of this entire industry revolt. AWS is basically picking up prominent projects and hosting them for profit with little to no interaction with the entity that created it. Years of R&D and capital go into building these things from the ground up. For AWS at their scale to just lift it and contribute nothing back is a slap in the face. So yes with Pixie, similar possibilities, but New Relic is not stupid. They know this and are likely working directly with AWS on some sort of deal. I know Microsoft has done a better job in this avenue especially with the likes of Hashicorp. AWS actually has no choice but to do better given their lawsuit with Elastic.

Re: Open sourcing Pixie under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by remram »

pabs3 wrote: post #9
remram wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your CLA [1] does not reassign copyright, ensuring that you can't re-license later. Good on you! [1]: https://github.com/pixie-labs/pixie/blob/main/CLA.md

The CLA gives permission to sublicense, but it isn't clear to me if this allows proprietary relicensing or not.

It seems pretty good to me:

> We agree to license the Contribution only under the terms of the license or licenses which We are using on the Submission Date for the Material

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