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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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I think the very fact that reading those descriptions is confronting, if it is to you as it is to me, is evidence that you do need exposure to understand that horrible things happen in the world. I understand it academically, but every time I see or read something like this I realise that I don't really understand it.

it's just sick entertainment covered by explanation "I need to see how horrible the world is", and being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives. There're better ways to educate yourself and make the world a better place.

>being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives.

What? Will we start more wars to provide it? Make workplaces, roads,etc less safe?

Chances are this type of content has saved more lives than anything by making people more sensitised to what can happen and aware of things like workplace safety.

There's something to be said about people seeing war and intervention as boring policy moves, not being able to stomach the thought of seeing where the meat they eat comes from for some reason and thinking about boring warning videos when thinking about workplace safety or a court case when thinking about drunk driving.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Why is there so much fetishization of violent content in the comments? Sure maybe liveleak provided some footage you couldn't get on youtube and that is indeed a loss, but to think that the violence you see represents the truth is just as bad as denying that any bad happens in the world. The world is far larger than any one mind can handle. I wouldn't judge it from a few videos taken out of context. The world can be…

What are you on about. Since when can you get shell-shock from watching videos online. Its not fetishization but rather an unabridged edition of the footage you see on the news.

Individuals can absolutely be traumatized by footage.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Just looking at the front page of BitChute it seems more conspiracy crazy than just recordings of crazy things happening.

That would change if people start using it more as a LiveLeak replacement. (The name is somewhat amusing for someone with knowledge of Australian slang.)

I'm Australian and not sure what you mean.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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post #132

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> People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you. Considering they all go on living anyway, you’d say the good parts must outweigh the bad parts though.

Is this to mean "People aren't killing themselves, ergo everything must be pretty good for them generally"? Because, if that's what's meant here, I have to pretty vehemently disagree with that sentiment.

Yes, the premise of what you read is correct, but the conclusion you make seems different.

People aren’t killing themselves, so even if their life sucks in many ways they must have found enough good things in the world to balance them out.

The original premise somewhere further up was that poor people are never happy.

I guess I should have used a less extreme point.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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post #106

good. Human suffering should not be monetized. Perpetrators must not get any audience at all and must have no outlet for showcasing their acts. If you must watch gore to see the "real world" then you're part of the problem. Empathy doesn't require seeing someone getting dismembered.

brutal reality is the only weapon against mass-indoctrination.

can you even imagine if Iraq was a western country? would Syria happen if 1/100000 of Iraq was televised? would Iraq happen if child deaths under sanctions was televised? can empathy see through the fog of indoctrination/demonization/skin-color?

go ahead, shadowban again and again.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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post #239

Seeing a child trying to gather the pieces of his mother after getting shredded by an Apache gunship undermines government propaganda. If something makes you realize you're probably not always the good guy bringing democracy then that something is quite dangerous and it should be removed.

> that something is quite dangerous and it should be removed You really took a left turn at the end there and I’m not sure if you were serious. Poe’s law in full effect, I’d argue the opposite. If something true challenges your narrative the only intellectually honest thing to do is embrace it.

I'm merely explaining how it got to the current situation from my own point of view. There is no money in showing the real consequences of people's actions. People pay to be coddled and have their biases confirmed. Without any money you cannot maintain a considerable online presence (especially content hosting).

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

> downplaying

In what world do you live where you call the year long constant fear mongering "downplaying"?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

Agree with this entirely. So much is never said or seen on commercial media. It’s easy it’s shrug off a censored report and carry on with your day.

However the comments section was nasty. There are a lot of really not very right people out there waiting to have their world view and prejudices legitimized. And that’s quite worrying.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

I remember they used to show bad car crashes as part of the training you could take to reduce the number of penalty points (Polish road code, accumulate 24, lose your driving license). My colleague, who was a bit of a petrolhead, took it. It made him drive safe(r) at least for a few weeks.
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