LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rsj_hn » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:47 AM UTC

CyberDildonics wrote: post #53

throwawaysea wrote: post #11

That’s really sad. They were one of the few platforms that would carry content honestly no matter how offensive it might be. With how overwhelming the scope and influence of big tech platforms like YouTube are, free speech has few homes left.

Free speech has the entire internet, just don't expect giant public corporations to broadcast and amplify conspiracy theories. No one expects youtube to host porn or gore, but when they take down covid deniers and mass shooting conspiracies people think they are entitled to youtube hosting them.

> just don't expect giant public corporations to broadcast and amplify conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately that is exactly what the giant public corporations are doing. They are running disinfo ops against the public, and it's bizarre how they justify this to themselves (in the name of the antiracism, or the greater good, or achieveing some utopia). What is odd is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of variety in the types of disinfo ops it is OK to run. The "peaceful protests" chyrons emblazoned behind a burning hellscapes is OK. The "we have always been at war with East Asia" kind is OK - and you have to go to rough and tumble corners of the internet to see other conspiracy theories that don't fit the narrative of our nihilistic PMC elite.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by mttjj » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:49 AM UTC

abhishekjha wrote: post #44

irjustin wrote: post #28

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

Is there any study or papers on people who actively go through such content? What changes about them after?

Not exactly what you’re looking for but I remember reading this when it was published and it was disturbing to say the least : https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebo...

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by scrollaway » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:51 AM UTC

abhishekjha wrote: post #44

irjustin wrote: post #28

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

Is there any study or papers on people who actively go through such content? What changes about them after?

There's a lot of first hand accounts of people explaining the logic behind seeking and watching such content. The WatchPeopleDie subreddit had a lot of that and you had many people detailing their experience, but iirc it turned into a neo-nazi hangout before it got banned.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by synicalx » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:51 AM UTC

breckenedge wrote: post #40

whymauri wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, yeah. Reddit killed the forum. Google and silo'd social media (FB, TikTom) are eating everything else. I just realized that I barely recognize the modern net vs. the one I grew up with.

You consider Reddit usable? I stopped using Reddit a few years ago, recently came back and tried both the website and (dark-pattern driven) mobile app. It's distinctly worse. Everything seems to have been re-engineered to drive "engagement" and/or mindless consumption.

Use old.reddit.com instead of regular reddit.com, RES works just as well with that and you can get various addons to automatically redirect you to old.reddit.com if you happen to click on a reddit.com link in the wild.

On mobile, avoid the "official" app entirely - it's very pretty but is very very clearly focused on showing you as many ads as possible. Apollo is my pick for iOS and Relay is fairly comparable on Android.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by joshmanders » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:51 AM UTC

georgiecasey wrote: post #37

I notice Ogrish.com redirects to this new vanilla site as well. What a relic from the turn of the century Internet.

Ogrish was replaced by LiveLeak.

It's interesting how people talk about LiveLeak like it was original and not just a spin off and replacement for Ogrish which was much darker.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by omegaham » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:52 AM UTC

breckenedge wrote: post #40

whymauri wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, yeah. Reddit killed the forum. Google and silo'd social media (FB, TikTom) are eating everything else. I just realized that I barely recognize the modern net vs. the one I grew up with.

You consider Reddit usable? I stopped using Reddit a few years ago, recently came back and tried both the website and (dark-pattern driven) mobile app. It's distinctly worse. Everything seems to have been re-engineered to drive "engagement" and/or mindless consumption.

If they ever kill old.reddit.com, I'm outta there. The redesign was awful.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by causality0 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

LiveLeak definitely had the ability to change you. There was a video from a dashcam where a couple is driving down a road, and a brick or rock falls off a truck driving the opposite way. It bounces on the road before slamming through the windshield and instantly killing the wife sitting in the passenger seat. Whenever I feel like a member of my family has gotten on my last nerve, pushed me to my limit, I think of the sounds that man made as he looked at his wife and my anger just melts away. LiveLeak may have scarred me but it taught me not to ever take the people I love for granted.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rcpt » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

enw wrote: post #64

Sad to see both LiveLeak and Best Gore gone. Not that I visited either much, but they really opened my eyes to the horrors of reality. What are alternatives to LiveLeak or Best Gore?

Documenting reality is the lead site afaik

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by aierou » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #47

breckenedge wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You consider Reddit usable? I stopped using Reddit a few years ago, recently came back and tried both the website and (dark-pattern driven) mobile app. It's distinctly worse. Everything seems to have been re-engineered to drive "engagement" and/or mindless consumption.

Old.reddit.com does not work for you?

Unfortunately it doesn't filter out the mindless consumption. A curated front page can help, but even that has become less and less effective in my experience.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by moralestapia » Thu, May 06, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

acituan wrote: post #60

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

> The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place, with also violence in it. Our cognition is heavily biased towards saliencing and preserving the scary bits, and being exposed to a planet scale showcase of those bits does not necessarily make us wiser (e.g. better decision makers). At least for me personally it took a dec…

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place

It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment.

And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.