Six years of professional Clojure development
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Six years of professional Clojure development
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#2I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
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#3I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
Unfortunately, despite consistently hearing about how enjoyable Clojure is, I think many people are turned off by the JVM. This is probably also the problem with Scala, which is apparently also enjoyable to use.
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#4I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
Unfortunately, despite consistently hearing about how enjoyable Clojure is, I think many people are turned off by the JVM. This is probably also the problem with Scala, which is apparently also enjoyable to use.
Why is the JVM a turn off?
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#5I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
Unfortunately, despite consistently hearing about how enjoyable Clojure is, I think many people are turned off by the JVM. This is probably also the problem with Scala, which is apparently also enjoyable to use.
I don't think JVM is what turns people off. It's a different paradigm. Every FP language is basically a niche these days even though you can hear great things about most of them(Elixir? Elm? Clojure? F#?). It's just that FP is not popular/common enough for these languages to be popularized like some other OO languages.
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#6Nice article.
Sadly a lot of people won't even try clojure since it is dynamic typed. I see their point but nevertheless clojure does something really well here. As the author obserserves designing around some core data structures results in high code reuse. A library like spec is also way better in encoding business requirements than all the mainstream language typesystems e.g. a number in business context has mostly constraints like a particular range etc. I really looking forward to see someone come up with a static type system inspired by clojure's approach.
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#7> *Reusability*: Here's where Clojure really shines. Because most functions are pure and operate on few common data structures (mostly maps, vectors and sets) it is very easy to write reusable code. We created many internal libraries just by separating the candidate functions into their own namespaces within the regular project source tree. To finally establish the library we move the code from the project repo into a new Git repo and include the resulting library Jar in the project.clj as dependency. Thus, we have a very lean process that results in production-quality resusable assets.
This is very true. Data-orientation really helps with reuse and library composibility.
The ability to reference git repos in the deps.edn file further supports this process. I don't particularly like the ergonomics of the Clojure CLI, though, but having this feature is pretty great. I use it all the time.
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#8I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
According to LibHunt's popularity index, it's the 28th most popular language https://www.libhunt.com/index#clojure (ahead of Elixir that is 40th).
It is less than 50th position on Tiobe's index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ (which is a bit more reputable than LibHunt's)
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, despite consistently hearing about how enjoyable Clojure is, I think many people are turned off by the JVM. This is probably also the problem with Scala, which is apparently also enjoyable to use.
I don't think JVM is what turns people off. It's a different paradigm. Every FP language is basically a niche these days even though you can hear great things about most of them(Elixir? Elm? Clojure? F#?). It's just that FP is not popular/common enough for these languages to be popularized like some other OO languages.
Elixir seems to be pretty popular here on HN these days.
Re: Six years of professional Clojure development
#10I also had the privilege to work with clojure for a couple of years on a large project. That was wonderful. Hands down the best language/framework/approach to development I’ve ever had. I still find crazy that it’s not one of the main programming language out there.
Unfortunately, despite consistently hearing about how enjoyable Clojure is, I think many people are turned off by the JVM. This is probably also the problem with Scala, which is apparently also enjoyable to use.
JVM and .NET are the top runtimes with best in game GC implementatios, JIT compilers, JIT code cache, and monitoring tools for production code.
In fact plenty of them, given that there are multiple implementation to choose from.
Meanwhile other languages keep playing catchup and having to rewrite extensions in C.