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Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by michaelmrose » Wed, May 05, 2021, 12:43 AM UTC

gscott wrote: post #25

a_e_k wrote: post #8

I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

California is running an experiment that collects all of your location data while in a car to collect a gas tax. Of course once they have it they will make it available for any government agency.

The problem is this is liable to at minimum leak your entire social graph and all data that can be derived from same. The vastly more logical thing to do would be to abolish the gas tax and increase taxes either on vehicles or on income.

The second best solution if you must tax miles driven is to mandate new cars include short range Bluetooth readable odometers and let users electronically submit this data to oem. While we are at it car electronics should be mandated to be able to perform this task without giving your contact data to the fuckin car.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by inetknght » Wed, May 05, 2021, 12:46 AM UTC

kroltan wrote: post #176

silicon2401 wrote: post #140

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If I lived in the countryside (which I wouldn't mind) I would consider this, but otherwise I personally couldn't justify the risk. I forget where I read it, but the phrase "right of weight, not right of way" comes to mind. It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks.

> It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks. This would be a dream. I live in a reasonably deserted/seasonal neighbourhood, so it has a neat 2-lane divided avenue down the middle, but it is usually very empty (a car maybe every minute). This doesn't mean I can ride anywhere but the very edge of the asphalt, almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English), sin…

> almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English)

The curb?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by inetknght » Wed, May 05, 2021, 12:47 AM UTC

nanis wrote: post #195

pa7ch wrote: post #172

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I understand the sentiment. However, are you saying that you think AC between your legs is a worthwhile feature but airbags are not?

>are you saying that you think AC between your legs is a worthwhile feature but airbags are not? Why should people not be allowed to make that choice? Keep in mind that the only reason we have airbags is because Naderites did not believe that one could rely on people using seatbelts so there needed to be technology that did not require cooperation from humans. Fast-forward a couple of decades. Oooops. Airbags have no…

> Why should people not be allowed to make that choice?

Because in practice people don't make that choice. Manufacturers do.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by ojbyrne » Wed, May 05, 2021, 12:53 AM UTC

fencepost wrote: post #165

"I do not consent to any searches." You can't prevent them, but don't consent to a search just because you don't do drugs, transport drugs, transport anyone who does drugs. Carrying cash is considered a valid pretext for a search (have any coins in a change tray?), as is being too polite or not being polite enough (maybe because you're annoyed at being stopped). Now that a search of your vehicle also includes a searc…

“US Customs and Border Patrol” https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by CompuHacker » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #156

LinuxBender wrote: post #22

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You can get a USB Condom [1] for this purpose. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-3rd-Gen-Data-Blocker/dp/B06X...

Buying a USB Condom for a piece of equipment you own is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable. This is like having sex with your wife through a condom because you're worried about STDs.

I'm not sure this disease metaphor is appropriate. Lots of people have STDs, and lots of those people get married, and, as I understand it, many of those people have a lot of safe sex.

And frankly, I don't trust many of my own devices not to fuck me. (figuratively speaking)

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by kroltan » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:12 AM UTC

inetknght wrote: post #212

kroltan wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks. This would be a dream. I live in a reasonably deserted/seasonal neighbourhood, so it has a neat 2-lane divided avenue down the middle, but it is usually very empty (a car maybe every minute). This doesn't mean I can ride anywhere but the very edge of the asphalt, almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English), sin…

> almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English) The curb?

That's the word, thank you!

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by kroltan » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:14 AM UTC

nanis wrote: post #193

kroltan wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks. This would be a dream. I live in a reasonably deserted/seasonal neighbourhood, so it has a neat 2-lane divided avenue down the middle, but it is usually very empty (a car maybe every minute). This doesn't mean I can ride anywhere but the very edge of the asphalt, almost tripping my pedals on the sidewalk rise (I forget the word in English), sin…

>> It's also why I love that my hometown allows riding bikes on sidewalks. > This would be a dream. Or the kind of urban nightmare where motorcycles (sorry, battery assisted bicycles) are rushing down sidewalks at 20 mph, barely missing baby carriages, dogs, and other humans.

Not here, because the sidewalks are not continuous or very well maintained, so such ill folk would not be able to rush at their desired maximum speed.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by paaakthecaaa » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:22 AM UTC

nanis wrote: post #195

pa7ch wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the sentiment. However, are you saying that you think AC between your legs is a worthwhile feature but airbags are not?

>are you saying that you think AC between your legs is a worthwhile feature but airbags are not? Why should people not be allowed to make that choice? Keep in mind that the only reason we have airbags is because Naderites did not believe that one could rely on people using seatbelts so there needed to be technology that did not require cooperation from humans. Fast-forward a couple of decades. Oooops. Airbags have no…

Well, safety features also benefit the people who ride in your car with you, and those people weren't necessarily involved in your purchasing decision.

There's a happy medium somewhere. In an ideal world, we would regulate what is really important and ignore what isn't, but we're still figuring things out.

Personally, I like the idea of universal sunsets to deal with the difficulty of repealing old regulations. Codes could be reviewed on an N-year basis, with old rules requiring a cost/benefit analysis and 'yes' vote to renew. But in practice, those kinds of processes seem to end up with people rubber-stamping "last year++" revisions, like with the USA's defense re-authorization acts.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by h4waii » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:33 AM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #159

epanchin wrote: post #157

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or cheap, vs the cost of running someone down.

ABS does not significantly shorten stopping distances. It does provide improved steering control during brake applications that would otherwise exceed available traction, but I think it's extremely rare that ABS would be the difference between a pedestrian collision vs not. (They could just as easily choose a car that didn't have ABS as originally equipped and no one would say anything about the omission.)

Being able to control the vehicle during emergency braking would ostensibly allow you to steer around the obstacle or pedestrian prior to impact.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by h4waii » Wed, May 05, 2021, 1:40 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #156

LinuxBender wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a USB Condom [1] for this purpose. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-3rd-Gen-Data-Blocker/dp/B06X...

Buying a USB Condom for a piece of equipment you own is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable. This is like having sex with your wife through a condom because you're worried about STDs.

Do you really even own it, if it can be remotely disabled by the manufacturer?