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A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by soco »

LinuxBender wrote: post #22
Animats wrote: post #14

“Your phone died, you’re gonna get in the car, plug it in, and there’s going to be this nice convenient USB port for you. When you plug it into this USB port, it’s going to charge your phone, absolutely. And as soon as it powers up, it’s going to start sucking all your data down into the car.” That used to be just something seen in hostile devices. Now it's standard equipment.

You can get a USB Condom [1] for this purpose. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-3rd-Gen-Data-Blocker/dp/B06X...

Thank you, I just bought two! But any idea for if you're connected via Bluetooth?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by velosol »

novok wrote: post #5

One day, I hope radios / networking off, telemetry off and logs off and still as functional as possible with those options off will all be legally mandatory options in any device that can do any of those things.

I remember reading about being able to pull a fuse to disable cellular connectivity on Teslas a few years back and you could also opt-out of data collection but it was apparently an involved process over email.

Has anyone been through going 'radio silent' in a Tesla more recently?

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Post by philsnow »

gscott wrote: post #25
a_e_k wrote: post #8

I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

California is running an experiment that collects all of your location data while in a car to collect a gas tax. Of course once they have it they will make it available for any government agency.

do you have more information on this? what's it called? this one? http://caroadcharge.com/

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by jmnicolas »

So do I have to ride horses to get my privacy back now?

I would totally buy a brand new car without all the "visible" electronics (by visible I mean all the screens and doodads. I don't mind ABS and other "invisible" electronics as long as they are reliable which is not a given nowadays).

I don't get the point of turning the interior of a car into a smartphone experience.

I watched a YT video of a Mercedess class S review. So many screens, leds, buttons etc. The reviewer was so busy fiddling with the controls that he never saw a pedestrian woman wanting to cross the road. If she hadn't payed attention he would probably have hit her.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by Black101 »

a_e_k wrote: post #8

I live in Washington State, where the state legislature recently voted to ban sales of gasoline powered cars after 2030. Aside from the fact that I enjoy drives through some pretty empty parts of the country, especially in the Southwest, where range is a concern (e.g., I drove the Great Basin Highway a few years ago), what bothers me about that measure is this sort of data collection thing. I wouldn't mind a move to…

That's from 2014: "Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car" https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by yardie »

One of the cars I rented (A Ford using the Sync console) had bluetooth contacts synced from the previous renter. It was just sitting there: names, phone numbers, addresses, email addresses. Being privacy conscious I deleted the contacts and the 20+ bluetooth profiles stored in the console.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by bdavisx »

Forbo wrote: post #41
gscott wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is running an experiment that collects all of your location data while in a car to collect a gas tax. Of course once they have it they will make it available for any government agency.

I really, really hate this. Why not just require an annual odometer reading and multiply by vehicle weight to determine how much should be owed to cover road and transportation infrastructure costs? Far easier than maintaining a complex system to track every drivers' location over time. Ugh.

Because the next logical step is to allow jurisdictions (cities/counties/whatever) charge more tax on their roads.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by mssundaram »

toss1 wrote: post #9
gowld wrote: post #2

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." CBP's warrantless searches are plainly unconstitutional.

Probably true, but good luck with that. As my grandfather said: "You might be right, but you don't want to be dead right." CBP already have extra authorities due to border control because crossing the border is not a constitutional right. The most egregious expansion was the declaration that all territory within 100 miles of the border is 'authorized' for all CBP's nonsense. That happens to cover about 90% of the US…

I'm having trouble understanding how 100 miles from the border covers 90% of the US population?

Edit: I see - I was thinking only in terms of e.g. the Arizona southern border, however looking up the Constitution Free Zone shows that it means the entire US - California, all states connected to Cananda etc.

Eidt 2: Would this mean ALL of Hawaii is in this Constitution Free Zone?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Post by philsnow »

Animats wrote: post #14

“Your phone died, you’re gonna get in the car, plug it in, and there’s going to be this nice convenient USB port for you. When you plug it into this USB port, it’s going to charge your phone, absolutely. And as soon as it powers up, it’s going to start sucking all your data down into the car.” That used to be just something seen in hostile devices. Now it's standard equipment.

This is why I use a 12V-to-5V USB charging adapter in my 2019 model year car that absolutely has usb ports and supports android auto / carplay. I have connected it with bluetooth but only for calls and audio, no contacts / call history / etc. I trust apple enough to not screw that last part up and let my car get my contacts.
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