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The Unlikely Success of Fish Sticks

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I think the secret sauce for fish sticks’ success is tartar sauce. By themselves fish sticks are meh, but when dipped in tarter sauce, the taste is sublime. The shape and consistency of fish sticks make it easier to dip in tartar sauce.

Tomato ketchup is also pretty good - even if broadsheet journalists might dismiss it as "a bit childish":

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/dec/15/how-to-...

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Another thing British and Americans have a different name for. We call them fish fingers. If you ask for fish sticks in the UK you will probably get the pinkish crab sticks that don’t have breadcrumbs

> pinkish crab stick

interesting, these are Japanese Surimi, no?

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post #7

Another thing British and Americans have a different name for. We call them fish fingers. If you ask for fish sticks in the UK you will probably get the pinkish crab sticks that don’t have breadcrumbs

Fish fingers sounds funny to me as an American, but actually it's more consistent. Chicken fingers in the US are the same product but with chicken instead of fish.

As an aside, I grew up with “chicken fingers” everywhere, on restaurant menus, etc. but now I can’t think of the last time I didn’t see them called “chicken tenders” outside of one regional fast food chain where I am now. I live in a different region now so I wonder if that’s a regional thing or just an overall trend

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As a someone who came from a fish-eating nation (Japan), it's great to know that fish sticks are sustainable. The collective memory there was that Japan was condemned as fish abuser. People felt unfair but also were ashamed at the same time. (Over-fishing was/is at least partly true after all.) However, I don't have any memory around fish sticks associated from my childhood in Japan. Fried (frozen) fish fillets are p…

> The collective memory there was that Japan was condemned as fish abuser I don't know about the over-fishing, but I do remember reading a lot about whaling in Japan and some incidents about fishermen hunting whales in sanctuaries. Guess that could also be folded into "condemned as fish abuser".

I think The Cove (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cove_(film)) had a lot to do with raising (negative) awareness of dolphin fishing in Japan.

Re: The Unlikely Success of Fish Sticks

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As a someone who came from a fish-eating nation (Japan), it's great to know that fish sticks are sustainable. The collective memory there was that Japan was condemned as fish abuser. People felt unfair but also were ashamed at the same time. (Over-fishing was/is at least partly true after all.) However, I don't have any memory around fish sticks associated from my childhood in Japan. Fried (frozen) fish fillets are p…

If Seaspiracy is to be believed, there's no such this as sustainable fishing at scale. In order to catch this much fish, you're going to kill tons of other animals, discard tons of nets and other fishing equipment, saying it's "sustainable" is probably a lie in most every sense.

>If Seaspiracy is to be believed, there's no such this as sustainable fishing at scale

This statement is silly. There is A scale at which fishing is sustainable. The issue is that we are likely well over that.

Re: The Unlikely Success of Fish Sticks

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post #31

I think the secret sauce for fish sticks’ success is tartar sauce. By themselves fish sticks are meh, but when dipped in tarter sauce, the taste is sublime. The shape and consistency of fish sticks make it easier to dip in tartar sauce.

Tomato ketchup is also pretty good - even if broadsheet journalists might dismiss it as "a bit childish": https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/dec/15/how-to-...

A 50/50 Mix of Tomato ketchup and Sriracha is IMO better than straight ketchup

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That beef number is going to vary widely. The low end might be grass-fed beef on rotational grazing regenerative grassland fed a methane suppressing supplement versus beef raised on factory farmed corn grown on land created by burning down the rain forest.

I thought the methane from decomposing grass was net generated whether it passed through the cow or not?

You are correct. It's one of many sleight of hand tricks used to exaggerate the impact of beef. For some reason, certain parties don't want harm reduction policies on these issues, they want you to stop eating Beef altogether.

Re: The Unlikely Success of Fish Sticks

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> Each kilogram of fish sticks produces about 1.3 kilograms of carbon dioxide, which “rivals the climate impact of tofu,” she says. Beef, by comparison, produces over 100 times that amount of carbon dioxide per kilogram. These estimates vary a lot from one source to another, but even then 130 kgCO2/kg is an unusually high estimate for beef. Common range, I think, is from 20 to 60. For example this estimate is 26 [1]…

This also depends on what you count as carbon dioxide production. For example, cattle produce methane through gut fermentation, which is a strong greenhouse gas. However, it contributes to warming only to the extent the cattle stocks are growing. If cattle numbers are stable for some amount of time, than the methane produced by them does not contribute to new warming, as it forms closed cycle: methane decomposes to CO2 in atmosphere in a decade or two, which is then captured by grass, which is eaten by cattle. The result is a steady state of stable fraction of CO2 and CH4 in atmosphere, and no warming.

What really does contribute to climate change though is emissions that come from fossils, like fuel for machines, electricity for processing and storage, and gas for artificial fertilizer. The variation in reported numbers is caused by agenda, ie whether one wants to accurately assess impact of beef production, or whether they want to paint beef as worst thing ever.

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This made me curious about how it was that Clarence Birdseye came to discover the fast-freeze approach that preserves flavor. The answer is surprisingly straightforward - he was a fur trader in Labrador (northern Canada) and noticed when he pulled fish out they froze immediately and were still delicious months later. So if only you could make fish as cold as northern Canada, you could make frozen fish tasty! It was from there that he designed a -45F calcium chloride based belt technique and then a -25F ammonia evaporation driven technique.

https://www.loc.gov/everyday-mysteries/technology/item/who-i...

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