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Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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There's no reason Canada shouldn't have more fabs. It has Teledyne DALSA, making mostly imagers and some MEMS parts. Canada has a bigger population than Taiwan, after all.

Yes there is one very important reason which is that Canada has zero semiconductor manufacturing expertise or legacy. Who is going to design, manage, and operate the plants? And who are the customers going to be?

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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I hate to bang on about it, but as a Canadian who has worked in the U.S. and who is now in the U.K., I've tried hard to land a good position in Canada. Very few opportunities seem to exist, and the ones that do pay a pittance. In my experience, it is not 30% higher in the U.S. as the link indicates, but more like 100-200%. A couple of years ago, I was offered a highly technical position with a salary below what I had…

I've been told C$120-150k is the salary top end quite a few times. Base salaries don't seem to go much higher. Meanwhile I'm trying to find alternatives to contracting for the US

USA-ian in Canada. Same experience here.

120k is about as high as I've seen, unless you're an oil exec or a hockey player.

By comparison my middle-of-the-road IT guy salary was 140k USD (like 180k CAD), and the high-end coder pay has no comparison (save for those exec or hockey types).

Meanwhile as a Canadian you probably speak N. American English, and have a strongly similar cultural background to the US -- easy to integrate -- have access to good, cheap University education, and have access to the NAFTA TN visa, which gets you across the border quickly. Is it really a surprise?

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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Canada has a long and shameful history of our innovations being screwed up or screwed over. In the 50s our fighter/interceptor was leagues better than the US's jets, but crooked politicians killed the project. In the 70s our CANDU reactors were safer and cheaper to run than the PWRs the Americans were exporting, somehow we lost out on that too. More recently Bombardier built some of the nicest small passenger jets, a…

Excellent article on the Avro Arrow:

The project was genuinely ground-breaking. Avro’s engineers had been allowed to build a record-breaker without compromise. But Canadians would soon discover that the supersonic age had made aviation projects so expensive that only a handful of countries could carry them out – and Canada, unfortunately, wasn’t one of them.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200615-the-record-break...

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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Yeah Canadian salaries are a joke compared to their American counterparts. Their tech companies need to offer much more competitive salaries if they want a remote chance of preventing further brain drain of their talent to the US.

Why are salaries so low in Canada? The difference for most technical and engineering jobs is huge. It would make sense if the cost of living were lower but it isn’t. Rents and home prices are very high. Tech jobs in lower cost of living places in the US like Kentucky or Michigan often pay much higher than Canadian tech jobs.

* Canada only has 38 million people; California alone has 40 mil. It's a large country in terms of space, but not in terms of people. That limits how many domestic customers you can get, and internationally you're fighting with US / EU / Asian firms that can marshal a lot of resources.

* Hard emphasis and lobbying by oil and resource extraction groups to continue the focus on resource extraction -- aka "the resource curse" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

* Higher taxes. Why pay you 150k when the gum'mnt (fed + provincial) is just gonna take 57%? Might as well just pay you 90k and then throw bennies or a company car. Also means that the money that the consumer would spend is now going to government use.

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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There are certainly bright people who remain in Canada, but they usually have clear reasons that convince them to stay rather than double their salaries.

Again, you are presenting (In Canada AND Bright) as a rarity, something very unusual to see in reality. This is offensive to the many many bright people in this country and it does not match the reality.

So long as we aren't talking hard stats, I don't see how one statement is incongruent or not. Companies found in places like e.g. Kitchener, Ontario because they believe there are bright people, 100%. They are still not willing to pay them Silicon Valley salaries overall (exceptions exist)

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I think it's even more degrading than that. Canada basically exports healthy, educated, wealthy people to the US for little in return (well, other than being best friends with the world superpower anyway). As long as there's favorable compensation and tax policies on the US side, Canada's brightest, healthiest, and wealthiest will just hop over to benefit from the more favorable conditions there after reaping the exp…

> Canada's brightest, healthiest, and wealthiest will just hop over to benefit from the more favorable conditions there after reaping the expensive taxpayer funded social benefits I see this repeated often on the web, but I hate this saying. I work in engineering. I'm surrounded by bright individuals, both fresh and experienced. Saying the brightest people leave Canada implies only the dumb and at most the mediocre r…

Most of the Canadians I worked with in the US have gone back to Canada.

Our Principle Engineer at my last gig did like ~10 years around the DC area and then pissed off back to Calgary to raise kids and settle down. Still works remotely for the said US gig.

Plus have you ever been through a winter where it dips to -40C? Fuck that noise. I'm from the south and live in Canada and never though I'd miss bitter VA winters...

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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Canada has a long and shameful history of our innovations being screwed up or screwed over. In the 50s our fighter/interceptor was leagues better than the US's jets, but crooked politicians killed the project. In the 70s our CANDU reactors were safer and cheaper to run than the PWRs the Americans were exporting, somehow we lost out on that too. More recently Bombardier built some of the nicest small passenger jets, a…

Amy Shira Teitel, a Canadian spaceflight historian and author of Fighting for Space: Two Pilots and Their Historic Battle for Female Spaceflight. “But Canada is obsessed with Canadiana, and the Arrow was revolutionary. It was a Mach 2 jet on par with the United States

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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> Canada's brightest, healthiest, and wealthiest will just hop over to benefit from the more favorable conditions there after reaping the expensive taxpayer funded social benefits I see this repeated often on the web, but I hate this saying. I work in engineering. I'm surrounded by bright individuals, both fresh and experienced. Saying the brightest people leave Canada implies only the dumb and at most the mediocre r…

Most of the Canadians I worked with in the US have gone back to Canada. Our Principle Engineer at my last gig did like ~10 years around the DC area and then pissed off back to Calgary to raise kids and settle down. Still works remotely for the said US gig. Plus have you ever been through a winter where it dips to -40C? Fuck that noise. I'm from the south and live in Canada and never though I'd miss bitter VA winters.…

> Plus have you ever been through a winter where it dips to -40C?

Yes. I live in Calgary.

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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I hate to bang on about it, but as a Canadian who has worked in the U.S. and who is now in the U.K., I've tried hard to land a good position in Canada. Very few opportunities seem to exist, and the ones that do pay a pittance. In my experience, it is not 30% higher in the U.S. as the link indicates, but more like 100-200%. A couple of years ago, I was offered a highly technical position with a salary below what I had…

I've been told C$120-150k is the salary top end quite a few times. Base salaries don't seem to go much higher. Meanwhile I'm trying to find alternatives to contracting for the US

For anecdata sake: Recently been interviewing in Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver, 6yoe fullstack dev. Highest I saw was 120k, lowest 85k.

The worst part is how little stock companies are willing to give out. I had one company offer 6k over 4 years, which really puzzled me. Had another company try to sell me on how amazing their 30k/4 years package was (on a lower salary).

Re: Making the case for a homegrown Canadian semiconductor industry

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to bang on about it, but as a Canadian who has worked in the U.S. and who is now in the U.K., I've tried hard to land a good position in Canada. Very few opportunities seem to exist, and the ones that do pay a pittance. In my experience, it is not 30% higher in the U.S. as the link indicates, but more like 100-200%. A couple of years ago, I was offered a highly technical position with a salary below what I had…

I've been told C$120-150k is the salary top end quite a few times. Base salaries don't seem to go much higher. Meanwhile I'm trying to find alternatives to contracting for the US

Even that level is extremely rare and generally only offered by the US-based giants.
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