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Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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I like your idea of offline paper-based programming for side projects and one-man-projects. However it becomes very difficult to do any of that in a group of people in the middle of a pendamic. But will give it a try. Thanks!

Why would it be difficult? You just use a pen to bring your algorithms or designs on paper. And optional you print out code you are currently working on. That works when working alone, but also with many people. Because of course in the end - you use the computer to actually type your code in.

Try the Neo Smartpen or Remarkable Tablet. They both let you write and share that. They also both let you present. Those presentations feel magical to do over Zoom.

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I'm with OP in their diagnosis of the problem. Other commenters seem to focus on "tricks". The problem with these tricks is that they can all be bypassed and you always go back to normal. Would you suggest someone who wants to quit smoking just keep cigarettes in their pocket and just snap a rubber and on their wrist when they want one? Of course not, that is just asking to relapse. Self-control is a finite resource.…

Isn't it already possible for free? I mean, you can always install a mod rooted Android and use if as you wish

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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1. uninstall all apps that aren't essential

2. turn off all notifications

3. use parental control mode to add all the websites that might create a distraction. (this will create some problems, like not being able to login to an app using Facebook Connect, or not being able to search for "hot tubs" through Google, but it's worth it). Do not ever remove websites from this list once setup, and try to add everything on the first pass so you're not comfortable messing around with parental control configuration.

4. [this step is important] forget how to remove parental control

5. meditate daily

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A lot of folks are saying a technical solution isn’t the answer, but I’d say it’s a core part of getting to the next stage.

I’d recommend reading James Clear’s Atomic Habits to get a high-level view of what your body/mind is doing when you reach for certain apps/impulses.

Personally, I’ve found that installing blockers like Freedom and setting up timed schedules has significantly increase my productivity and cut back on wasted device time. Fwiw, the “fun” parts of the internet turn off at 10pm and don’t go back on until noon the next day.

You can also set a timed block at the router level, set a password for the setting via a password manager, give the password to a friend, and then delete it from your manager.

I find by simply removing the easy option to engage, the impulse to do so significantly diminishes. It’s only after you’ve felt what that diminished impulse is like and see the effects on productivity that you can then take bigger steps to change your habits.

So, I’m a big advocate for technical solutions because they help reduce need for self control / impulse control by removing the option on a schedule you define when you are your “best” or “most optimistic” self. (Yes, they can be circumvented, but you can also make that significantly onerous as to be usefully frictive.)

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>>my addictions to my phone is making me lethargic and causing regular migraines and eye strain issues

How do you know that? (Find out for yourself, no need to answer). Maybe these effects are being felt as a result of age, diet, environmental conditions, or stress, or exacerbated by these. Or maybe it is the phone. Be open to other possibilities though. Also, your addiction is not "making you" lethargic (or the other things). You are choosing to do these things. Repeatedly. There is a big difference between something else doing the thing (something else has power over you) and you choosing to do the thing (you have power over you). Spoiler alert: you always have all the power.

Sounds like you may need some aim in your life. Goals, directions, hobbies, social circles, but most importantly, meaningful work (whether that's coding/art/rearranging people's bathrooms or whatever it is). Write some goals down. Fail at them (that's likely not optional). Write new goals.

If there are some aspects of life that are challenging for you, then you know exactly what to do to challenge yourself and develop as an individual.

Tips about anxiety (I used to be very socially anxious) - practice being the loudest person in the room often. As much as possible. Everywhere. Especially in trivial places like the gas station and restaurants. Talk to your everyone loudly. Excessively loudly. At least louder than everyone else. Introduce yourself. Get their name. Ask simple questions VERY LOUDLY. This gets much easier the more you do it. Once you practice drawing attention to yourself a good bit, then you can start practicing putting your attention inside yourself instead of on others. Feel your body, your muscles, watch your thoughts, are you cold/hot, etc... these things aren't in your awareness if you're worried about what others are thinking/doing. Have fun with it and it will get more fun.

Don't forget, you can do ENTIRELY new things no matter where you are in your life. You're a human. We are part flexible problem solving mechanisms as a central part of our nature.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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A hack that has worked for me is to randomly generate a password and write it down on a piece of paper. Use this pass on your attention-sink websites (for me twitter and ig).

This will make it impossible to login when you aren't home which gradually helps you lessen the habit.

At home, the time to fetch the password is significant enough for me to reconsider the behavior and I'm able to overcome the fleeting urge.

For twitter specifically, Ive replaced the behavior to sometimes checking individual URLs. I've also figured out who I care about (the 4 names I can store in my head!).

I'd say Ive recuperated 95% of my time back using the random written password.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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I've suffered from similar problems (anxiety/ADHD/compulsive behavior). Definitely had endless scrolling mess with my sleep and exacerbate mental health issues. I've tried Apple's Screen Time feature, but found it far to easy to bybass. Until they fix that, here's the system that's worked consistently, if imperfectly, for me:

1. Download Apple Configurator and put the phone in supervised mode. This will require you to wipe the phone, so make sure you have contacts, photos, etc backed up. Configurator will allow you to block apps you couldn't otherwise delete like Safari and the App Store. 2. Create a profile on Configurator and whitelist the websites you are allowed to visit. For me, this is mostly just login pages for various apps that use a webview for sign in. 3. Install Focus (heyfocus.com) on your mac. It'll take some tweaking to get the settings right, but it'll allow you to set up a scheduled blocker for various apps/websites. I have the Configurator app blocked during all but a short window at the beginning and end of the day.

This has allowed me to pare my phone down to the essentials. It's annoying from time to time, but it leaves an escape hatch for situations where I've needed more capability on my phone. Been using this for about three years and it's mostly worked.

Re: Ask HN: Mobile phone addiction help?

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Any technical advice about how to block yourself is beating around the bush IMO. Not only is it easy to bypass most of that stuff, but you'll be way better off learning how to deal with this psychological issue directly instead of trying to avoid triggering it. Edit: They are not mutually exclusive by any means, I just mean that you will benefit in the long-run by addressing the psychological problem that leads to th…

One of the steps for overcoming alcoholism is getting the alcohol out of your house. Phone addiction is the same way, it definitely takes hard work and discipline on the part of the user, but there needs to be a way to get rid of your phone or at least the functionality that makes it addictive, without losing essential utility like keeping in contact with people, or in OP's case a mobile-only bank account

Gabb just raised $14mm to try and solve this problem
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