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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by sumedh » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #93

elliekelly wrote: post #54

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I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

Many Indian politicians learned the exact opposite lesson from the 90s to 2000s when China's economy far outgrew India's despite the supposed geographical, labor, and education similarities between the two (i.e. see the debate from a western perspective in [1][2][3]). The idea that democracy and free markets help with economic growth simply didn't pan out for India w.r.t. its neighbor and biggest rival. As far as Mod…

Didnt China open up to the world before India, so they had a headstart.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

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Not quite as simple as you make it out to be. Why should I let you scream "fuck you" over and over again in my coffee shop? Yeah yeah, maybe social networks are the new town square blah blah. My point is that the line isn't so black and white.

It's simpler than I made it out to be, which is why it's hated. The distinction between the law and the principle doesn't mean you can't make your own rules on your own property. In fact, they support that.

So, by law and in principle, Facebook/Twitter may set their rules on their own property? Right?

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by dillondoyle » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 6:06 PM UTC

fareesh wrote: post #156

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I don't think this take is totally fair, it doesn't include a lot of context. For sure it's a real discussion to have but I think only should be debated with the full context. First FB didn't totally block it was still shared over 600k times and they said they were not promoting in the feed until their fact check process proceeded. The specific reason Twitter cited for an actual block was their policy on hacked sourc…

I don't accept the premise that the enforcement is done in good faith to begin with - there's no reason to. A bad faith actor can use a weak justification to selectively enforce the independently verifiable rule whenever they feel like it. The guy who made the decision, spent 10 years working for John Kerry, Barbara Boxer and the Democratic party prior to his role at Facebook. Why should the USA policy director be ma…

I agree the twitter reason was weak. 'hacked source material' is a huge amount of journalism. But I stand by the rest.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by CamperBob2 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 11:19 PM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #178

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Essentially half of the surveyed Republican voters say they'll refuse the vaccine: https://www.wpr.org/gop-men-are-most-likely-say-theyll-refus... That's enough to elect a President and change the direction of the entire Federal government. The time when these people could be ignored, laughed at, or otherwise dismissed is unfortunately over.

Refusing the vaccine is not the same as believing COVID-19 doesn’t exist. You are proving my point.

From the point of view of the rest of society, there is no difference at all. The coronavirus doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it only cares if you're vaccinated.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by ramphastidae » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #64

elliekelly wrote: post #54

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I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

Absolutely agree with this. In fact even if the minimum they do is walk back to how the country was before Modi, that would be a huge step forward. Not talking about politics here but just to a time when comedians and journalists didn't have to fear harassment for doing their jobs. Also a fun fact - Modi has not done a single open, unscripted press conference in his entire 7 years of being in power! Can you actually…

No press conferences, massive rallies during a pandemic, and demonizing foreign powers for not solving problems they are responsive for solving? Sounds familiar ...

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by mancerayder » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 12:21 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #132

mancerayder wrote: post #90

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No because it's just a friendly suggestion, kind of like the Indian government. Bottom line: Silicon Valley techies often suffer from a lack of education in civic matters and liberal democratic values in particular. They believe as long as Bad People have their, here's another term they often use, megaphones, taken away, then ethically it's a thumbs up. The lack of civic education and historical education becomes evi…

In the US, 'Wrongthinkery' is policed by the silicon valley techies who think hiding posts from anyone who they disagree with is the solution. > OK, you support censorship and cleansing misinformation: now who decides? 'They' can't come up with an answer to this classic one since they already realised that down the line they're becoming an arbiter of truth. The liberal left are never in short supply of whataboutism,…

The fact that those of us attacking censorship are getting down voted to grey on a Silicon Valley news site speaks volumes about the type of person who's working in these companies, their value systems and the power they yield. We should do everything in our power to criticize and attack the monopoly power of Facebook, Google, Amazon and Twitter. It's not a Left and Right issue, it's very much a civil liberties one and a question of what type of open society we value.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by moduspol » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 12:57 AM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #184

moduspol wrote: post #178

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Refusing the vaccine is not the same as believing COVID-19 doesn’t exist. You are proving my point.

From the point of view of the rest of society, there is no difference at all. The coronavirus doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it only cares if you're vaccinated.

Sorry--the goalposts are moving too fast for me in this discussion.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by bytesandbots » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 8:10 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #98

amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida. I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic…

Have you worked with medical oxygen in a practical setting? People are desperate and might give this a try. In real medical scenario, O2 is provided as LMO (liquid medical oxygen) with 99.5% purity. It is given to patients via equipment that is meant to regulate pressure and flow-rate.

> Connect it to oxygen supply through a breathing bag. Make some holes in the breathing bag. Eye the calculation so that incoming oxygen displaces at least 10 times the volume of exhaled CO2

You first need a clean and secure place to store it at pressure enough to be continuously consumed by a living breathing human.

Generating oxygen with this means will inevitably result in mixing impurities via the coating on the electrodes or any pre-existing corrosion on the electrodes. Salts mixed into lye, soda, or other salts added to increase conductivity, can result in toxic chlorine and chloride fumes. Heating at the electrode will result in further unexpected fumes.

You are suggesting plastic equipment around a 200A electrodes. If plastic is melting around the electrodes, imagine those fumes also mixing in.

These are just few of the problems that comes to my mind. I am sure an actual expert will know better. Please refrain from posting such garbage, especially medical information.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by baybal2 » Mon, May 03, 2021, 10:39 PM UTC

bytesandbots wrote: post #188

baybal2 wrote: post #98

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Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida. I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic…

Have you worked with medical oxygen in a practical setting? People are desperate and might give this a try. In real medical scenario, O2 is provided as LMO (liquid medical oxygen) with 99.5% purity. It is given to patients via equipment that is meant to regulate pressure and flow-rate. > Connect it to oxygen supply through a breathing bag. Make some holes in the breathing bag. Eye the calculation so that incoming oxy…

> You are suggesting plastic equipment around a 200A electrodes.

I'm not suggesting 200A at electrodes. The actual current will be much less with water resistance, you will obviously melt plastic if you put full short circuit current into it.

It's also welding machines themselves are not created for continuous operation, especially electronics based ones. A 100A ones will croak, and go into safety shutdown even from operating at 10% of load continuously.

> You first need a clean and secure place to store it at pressure enough to be continuously consumed by a living breathing human.

You don't have to store it, it's about continuous generation.

> Salts mixed into lye, soda, or other salts added to increase conductivity, can result in toxic chlorine and chloride fumes.

Obviously you will electrolyze chlorine if there is enough of it, but you need to really be electrolyzing sea water like salt concentration for it to be an issue.

> Please refrain from posting such garbage, especially medical information.

I will not refrain. I will talk more with you once I will see your engineering credentials, which I believe you don't have after reading all of above.