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Re: The End of AMP

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Post by elliekelly »

Spooky23 wrote: post #89
tobr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is still the same, why do we feel it’s fair when blue-collar criminals are treated inhumanly, but harsh when applied to white-collar criminals?

The personal violation you feel as a victim of a mugging or a burglary is more visceral and real, whether someone steals a dollar or ten thousand dollars. The perp takes something from your psyche, and we want to extract the same. When some character fudges a spreadsheet or sets up a viscous cycle in business, it is more abstract. We’ve all done it to some degree (received an undeserved discount, more change than owe…

> White collar criminals have more to lose, so the punishment standard is different.

I feel like you’re so close to identifying the root cause of why the two groups are treated differently. The answer is hiding in the first five words.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by acvny »

I have always detested AMP. But there was no other way around - if you wanted to appear in google results on top you had to use it.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by somehnguy »

john_alan wrote: post #129
concordDance wrote: post #61

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Ads being delayed seems like a win for consumers though.

Just use a pihole. It’s literally changed my internet experience in my home.

I wanted to like pihole so much and ran one in my home for a while. Unfortunately I had to move back to per-device adblockers.

I had multiple instances of sites just not working because of the pihole was blocking something. This would result in me putting it in non-block mode for a little bit, rinse and repeat. I can't have that kind of hassle when non-technical people use the internet too. At least with per-device adblockers it's a single click to disable/enable the adblocker if a site is acting funny.

Basically, it wasn't any faster than just blocking ads on the device itself & added another thing on the network for me to manage.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by ExtraE »

sofixa wrote: post #94
ExtraE wrote: post #20

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Or youtube, although that makes a lot of money so probably not anytime soon.

> Or youtube, although that makes a lot of money so probably not anytime soon Does it? Alphabet quarterly reports don't list YouTube revenues and expenses separately, and i imagine something like YouTube costs a shit load of money in storage and bandwidth.

Yeah, come to think of it I guess it’s not obvious is profitable and definitely not extremely profitable.

Technically (and by accident) what I originally said is still true— it makes a lot of money (but may cost a lot of money) and so it still looks good on quarterly reports (esp. if they bury the costs) so they’ll keep it around.

Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if my Google search results were informed and improved by their data about my watch history.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by rchaud »

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #3

“Avoid unnecessary JavaScript, plugins and bloat, and make your site easy-to-use.” If only web developers would follow this advice...

Hilarious advice considering Google's own non-adherence to it. Opening Gmail today is slower than when I was opening it on IE6 in 2004.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by ShinyNewFeature »

concordDance wrote: post #61
numair wrote: post #39

Please don’t let your excitement take your focus off this part of the story: > The good news gets even better; non-AMP pages make considerably more revenue per pageview than AMP pages. Initially, I assumed this was due to the nature of how ads load on AMP, however, recent Antitrust lawsuits have proposed that hindering ad competition was a feature and that all non-amp ad tags, such as my company, Ezoic’s, were delaye…

Ads being delayed seems like a win for consumers though.

Right, but what Google did was to slow down only the non-AMP ads. If the goal was to build a better user experience, they should have slowed ALL the ads.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by john_alan »

somehnguy wrote: post #133
john_alan wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just use a pihole. It’s literally changed my internet experience in my home.

I wanted to like pihole so much and ran one in my home for a while. Unfortunately I had to move back to per-device adblockers. I had multiple instances of sites just not working because of the pihole was blocking something. This would result in me putting it in non-block mode for a little bit, rinse and repeat. I can't have that kind of hassle when non-technical people use the internet too. At least with per-device a…

Yeah I agree, so what I did was (and it took a bit of time), I whitelisted all the sites I hit that with and since then its been good.

It took about 2/3 hours of work though.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by tristanperry »

coffeefirst wrote: post #90
concordDance wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads being delayed seems like a win for consumers though.

Not at all. It makes the page slower and jumpier.

Not anymore. Many ad networks have rolled out their 'CLS' solutions for the upcoming Google Web Vitals algo change, and ads don't jump about anymore on these networks.

Example ad networks that work well with delayed ads (that don't jump) include Mediavine and AdThrive.

Re: The End of AMP

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Post by 310260 »

instagraham wrote: post #15

Whenver i am trying to share a news article with a friend, and Google throws up the AMP page at me, I take the time to select the original article link and share that. Websites deserve their own traffic, not Google's.

Same here. In some cases, AMP screws up the article formatting as well at least in my experience. I never share the Google/AMP link if I can help it.
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