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Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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> Inflating the number intentionally would be criminal fraud, plain and simple. With the amount of Math.floor(Math.random() * 1000) out there, I doubt any case has proven this to be something you can bring charges against a company for.

Sorry but just because a crime is committed a lot, does not make it less of a crime.

My point is that we don’t know that it is a crime until someone fights over it in court.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Yeah this is still happening in Windows 10. I reinstalled Win 10 Pro recently and the only way to make a local account during initial setup was to unplug the ethernet cable on my desktop. As long as an internet connection is up, it isn't even a hidden option.

I did a reinstall of windows pro N last week, and had the PC connected to the network. It required a few non-prominent buttons, but I manged to only make a local account. I was still caught out by the security questions though. I suppose this might be the difference due to the N version. If I recall this leaves out some of the default media encoders to avoid some anti-trust legislation in Europe. Might be that they a…

You can delete the security questions after setup.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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I'm genuinely curious...what does she do when she wants to buy something then? From what you describe, she would have to remove all but what she wants, then re add everything.

I do this too. For most places I use it as a shopping list, and I just keep adding small things until I have enough for a bigger order, or until I get free delivery. Gotta save those bucks. For places that sell expensive stuff like synths, guitars, tech stuff, I add it so I can see the total amount. Then I sleep on it. Sometimes more than one night. It might get bought along the way, so it's a great deterrent for imp…

Ohh that makes sense. Thank you for explaining!

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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A common one is fake consent popups for system notifications. Websites need to ask for consent before sending system notifications via the Notifications API. If a user declines, that website is blocked from asking again (for obvious reasons) But many websites cheat this by showing a fake consent popup designed to mimic what the browser would show. If a user clicks "Decline" on the fake popup, the website won't show t…

I took the risk and posted the (relevant) text of this comment and one of the replies. Someone's gotta at least try to bring this to the official sources, right?

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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TrustArc is a company used by major brands that utilizes dark patterns to FAKE opt-out time for GDRP compliance. Major companies employ lies. It will hold your browser captive for 2 minutes in hopes that you cancel or accept all. If you don't, it shows "We are processing the requested change to your cookie preferences. This may take up to a few minutes to process.". Not even incompetence could make this an honest pro…

I get this on docker.com without my script blocker. Essential only -> Processing please wait (but you can cancel) Customize -> Trying to trick me into allowing more, then processing as above Accept -> Instant success Took some screenshots since this is ridiculous (I may just not be used to the modern web since I aggressively block scripts): https://imgur.com/a/fJB0aHz My favorite part is having to pull a bar up to de…

Or that Docker now requires forced updates.... unless you pay. Then you can stay at a known version.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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The real popup in Chrome and Firefox exceeds the website frame, so you can easily distinguish it.

I am convinced, by many real world observations, that the average joe user cannot distinguish fake html/css/js popups from OS popups.

Case in point, countless relatives calling "I have a virus on my computer!" because they have a Windows-XP popup on a website "you have a virus" (they are on Windows 10, or Mac OS).

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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I’m going through this with LA Fitness. They closed their location in downtown Bellevue, WA. The next closest location to me is many miles away, and I’m not going to take an Uber there $10 each way. I’ve been in person and was told to send them a form via mail. I did that 2 months ago. They charged me for March and they just slapped a charge end of April. I’ve called them, was told to come in person again, and told t…

I just called my credit-card company to block a company playing similar shenanigans yesterday. The credit-card representative seemed to think it would work.

Many credit card using banks now offer "virtual" credit cards, which are one time or max amount or time-dependant expiring cc account numbers. These do a great job of neutralizing the abuse of power you get recurring payment dark patterns.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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From another HN submission: [0]

Wow, talk about a dark pattern: [1], all checks but the necessary ones are checked by default, which looks good, but then the big green button will check and accept them anyway! So the primary option negates the standard settings! I almost fell for it but I'm getting better and better at catching myself.

It's the new online advertisement. I remember my grandma being completely flustered by all the "you're the 10.000th visitor" flashy stuff and my brain ignored it completely. In this vain my brain now hunts for that button that does not really look like a button but just enough to identify it as a button. That is the one to hit.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27018522

[1] https://danskebank.com/news-and-insights/news-archive/press-...

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Need some Dark Patterns 101.

Do we count neuromarketing activities like "5 people watching this product right now" (aka Scarcity Effect) or "this discount ends in 2 hours" and etc. (aka Loss Aversion) as a dark pattern? Or it still praised as a "growth hacking"

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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> The moral of the story is that they were so big on a dark pattern, I'll be getting the subscription. Yeah thanks for rewarding them for that.

>> The moral of the story is that they were so big on a dark pattern, I'll be getting the subscription. > Yeah thanks for rewarding them for that. That was not a nice thing to do -altering a quote, to make it appear as if I said something I didn't. I am leaving your response in its unmodified entirety, above. Look, you have your opinion, I have mine, but It's a decent app. I will be providing feedback to them -as a p…

Well, the only reason why the throwaway user was dishonest was because they didn't use ellipsis to indicate snipping content in between.

They're technically correct. The app used a dark pattern and you responded by subscribing. From their intents and purposes, the dark pattern did its job rather well.

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