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The End of AMP

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Re: The End of AMP

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I’m rebuilding a leaderboard for news articles, switching from WebPageTest to Lighthouse.

The next step is to highlight when your need page hits the right benchmarks to qualify for “Top Stories”

My worry is that most sites won’t qualify and AMP continues

https://webperf.xyz

Re: The End of AMP

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Please don’t let your excitement take your focus off this part of the story: > The good news gets even better; non-AMP pages make considerably more revenue per pageview than AMP pages. Initially, I assumed this was due to the nature of how ads load on AMP, however, recent Antitrust lawsuits have proposed that hindering ad competition was a feature and that all non-amp ad tags, such as my company, Ezoic’s, were delaye…

> Somewhere, in a parallel universe, people are going to jail and paying substantial fines for this behavior.

My fear is that they are not going to jail or paying fines, they are being exiled... to our universe!

Re: The End of AMP

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Whenver i am trying to share a news article with a friend, and Google throws up the AMP page at me, I take the time to select the original article link and share that. Websites deserve their own traffic, not Google's.

Is that very different from "Whenever I find a site hosted through CloudFlare, I look up the origin server's IP address and link to that. Webservers deserve traffic, not CDNs."?

You can't do that, assuming that it was set up properly (i.e. they either set up CloudFlare immediately without disclosing the server IPs in the first place, or blocked all non-CloudFlare traffic on the firewall).

Re: The End of AMP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is clearly a separate discussion, but it’s interesting to consider why we’re always so eager to jail people for street crime, but it “seems really excessive” when it’s a white-collar crime.

We empathize with "people doing their job" perhaps a little too much? But part if is must also be just how inhumane jail sentences have become. Prisons are terrible places in the US, and sentences really disproportanate. With that framing, maybe it feels harsh to send somebody to prison for years for "just playing hardball a little too much". I don't know, but the US penal system needs a revamp anyhow.

The question is still the same, why do we feel it’s fair when blue-collar criminals are treated inhumanly, but harsh when applied to white-collar criminals?

Re: The End of AMP

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“Avoid unnecessary JavaScript, plugins and bloat, and make your site easy-to-use.” If only web developers would follow this advice...

Exactly. If website haven’t been so bloated in the first place, no one would have believed the AMP propaganda

Re: The End of AMP

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Please don’t let your excitement take your focus off this part of the story: > The good news gets even better; non-AMP pages make considerably more revenue per pageview than AMP pages. Initially, I assumed this was due to the nature of how ads load on AMP, however, recent Antitrust lawsuits have proposed that hindering ad competition was a feature and that all non-amp ad tags, such as my company, Ezoic’s, were delaye…

I’m as much against AMP as the next YC user, but jailing seems really excessive.

laws need to have teeth or people will violate them

Re: The End of AMP

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Please don’t let your excitement take your focus off this part of the story: > The good news gets even better; non-AMP pages make considerably more revenue per pageview than AMP pages. Initially, I assumed this was due to the nature of how ads load on AMP, however, recent Antitrust lawsuits have proposed that hindering ad competition was a feature and that all non-amp ad tags, such as my company, Ezoic’s, were delaye…

So basically you want people to go to jail for not blasting ads into your face immediately and actually loading web content first? Seems like a horribly awful world to me - would you extend this to Ad blockers as well? And when was the last time you've seen how horrible mainstream web is, with its autoplaying video popups? AMP isn't the best solution, but what you're proposing is just horrifying. If anything, we shou…

I downvoted you because you are deviating the conversation. I find it hard not to attribute hidden intentions behind what you posted.

The parent comment quoted saying they were loading their ads before ads from competitor networks.

Noone said anything about when the content was loaded. Google is the largest ad peddler.

You are obviously trying to shift the conversation away from how Google controls AMP and apparently used it to gain an advantage in the ad market (basically an antitrust issue) towards a generic conversation of ads are bad, but Google is good.

The parent was complaing about corporations being large enough to ignore antitrust legislation.

Re: The End of AMP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m as much against AMP as the next YC user, but jailing seems really excessive.

Then apply the "death penalty" to the company instead of people. A "death penalty" would also discourage gigantic companies, in general, as one out of hand division could kill the others. And if you claim that the workers don't deserve it, well, then exactly who DOES deserve it?

Or "jail" time for the company... Suspend them from operating or getting new clients while they are in "jail". And maybe have them forfeit all profits earned during their "jail" time.

Really the possibilities of solution to some of these issues are endless, limited only by our creativity. We're just stuck as a society with what we already have and there is huge push back against anything out of the ordinary or creative or different when it comes to government and our governance models.

Re: The End of AMP

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is clearly a separate discussion, but it’s interesting to consider why we’re always so eager to jail people for street crime, but it “seems really excessive” when it’s a white-collar crime.

It seems likely that "street crime" mostly refers to physical violence or the threat of it, while "white-collar crime" refers to breaking some rules. While much more real damage might be done with rule-breaking, such activity doesn't provoke visceral fear, it's harder for most people to be emotionally invested in retribution.

"Street Crime" can also consist of selling single cigarettes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Eric_Garner

Or of hanging an air freshener on your rearview mirror: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/us/police-shooting-air-fr...

Re: The End of AMP

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Please don’t let your excitement take your focus off this part of the story: > The good news gets even better; non-AMP pages make considerably more revenue per pageview than AMP pages. Initially, I assumed this was due to the nature of how ads load on AMP, however, recent Antitrust lawsuits have proposed that hindering ad competition was a feature and that all non-amp ad tags, such as my company, Ezoic’s, were delaye…

I’m as much against AMP as the next YC user, but jailing seems really excessive.

How else are we supposed to deal with repeat offenders who flout the law?

The idea that white collar crimes don't damage people's lives is easily debunked: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/economic-do...

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