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Re: The End of AMP

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Sounds like just the next calculated step. 1. Introduce $badThing with claims about page load performance. 2. tell sites they need to use $badThing to get into the “carousel” 3. Scale back the requirement of #2 just soon enough that you can argue against any claims of market manipulation via your monopoly. 4. (Continue to) Profit, because 80% of the sites that implemented it aren’t going to just rip it out now that i…

i disagree with 4. Sites need maintenance and evolution. i don't know a single dev that won't eagerly drop something as impacting as amp as soon as it's an option.

(a) that assumes the dev wants to. Plenty of developers still see Google as the all-knowing all-loving mother titty that can do no wrong.

Even for those who acknowledge Google may do shitty things, but are more interested in pulling their dick or what have you, rather than doing the work to make a great $thing, AMP gives them an easy out. No interpretation required, no need to worry about timings or what a "core web vital" is. Just follow this bouncing ball. Monkey see, monkey do.

(b) that assumes the dev is allowed to. Plenty of middle and upper management will always defer to "the industry" over any amount developer insight - particularly when the pitch is essentially "lets remove this thing so we can do some more work ourselves to achieve the same result".

(c) even if the dev wants to, and management OK it - maintenance is literally that: maintaining the status quo. Evolution, particularly on the scale of large sites, is a long term thing.

Big news sites are some of the worst offenders for junking up a page. Google could have "fixed" that by using the metrics discussed in the article to determine "carousel" results, from the start. But then they'd just have made a bunch of websites load faster, and wouldn't have added yet another tentacle around the web.

Re: The End of AMP

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Thank god and I am honestly surprised it took this long. If it was ever purely about page speed (which we all know it wasn’t but play along) then given the choice between “analyzing a one-time metric per page” and “inventing a new parallel HTML, CSS, and JS standard and still analyzing pages for usage of this standard,” I think it seems pretty obvious the former is better in about every way. Site-specific functions l…

The article title is miss leading, it’s someone arguing that it should be shelved

So long as google strongly influences page views it lives

Re: The End of AMP

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Make no mistake: Google could have page metrics used in search ranking years ago. The reasons they introduce these now isn't because of the kindness of hearts or because they changed their minds. Most likely (one, or some, or any of these reasons): - there's a potential court battle regarding AMP, and Google wants to get ahead - publishers are leaving the platform - there are new advertising opportunities that bring…

Google has done that in the past, I worked through the whole PageSpeed introduction, measurements, dumb decisions made to products just for SEO sake, etc.

They had this before, they could have just expanded it, they preferred to introduce AMP instead. Worse, introduced AMP with the whole corporate backing of it, they knew what they were doing.

Re: The End of AMP

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Why does this seem to "confirm" that AMP is dead? The article just "hopes" it will die, it doesn't point to any specific source that it will. Quite the opposite, it says "Google will continue to support AMP" on the Google Page Experience update.

The key part of the article is this:

> I’ve had the pleasure of working with more than twenty thousand publishers in the five years since AMP’s launch, and I don’t believe I’ve ever heard a single reason that a publisher uses AMP other than to obtain this priority placement.

If there's no reason to use AMP other than to waste money, it's very likely it will be used less and less. And then it's just a matter of time before Google pulls the plug.

Re: The End of AMP

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Why does this seem to "confirm" that AMP is dead? The article just "hopes" it will die, it doesn't point to any specific source that it will. Quite the opposite, it says "Google will continue to support AMP" on the Google Page Experience update.

The key part of the article is this: > I’ve had the pleasure of working with more than twenty thousand publishers in the five years since AMP’s launch, and I don’t believe I’ve ever heard a single reason that a publisher uses AMP other than to obtain this priority placement. If there's no reason to use AMP other than to waste money, it's very likely it will be used less and less. And then it's just a matter of time b…

While that's certainly a good step on the way, I'll be holding my breath until it's official, It's the most annoyingly long-lived piece of shit I've ever had the displeasure to work with.

Re: The End of AMP

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Why does this seem to "confirm" that AMP is dead? The article just "hopes" it will die, it doesn't point to any specific source that it will. Quite the opposite, it says "Google will continue to support AMP" on the Google Page Experience update.

The key part of the article is this: > I’ve had the pleasure of working with more than twenty thousand publishers in the five years since AMP’s launch, and I don’t believe I’ve ever heard a single reason that a publisher uses AMP other than to obtain this priority placement. If there's no reason to use AMP other than to waste money, it's very likely it will be used less and less. And then it's just a matter of time b…

From Google's perspective that is an excellent reason to continue. What I don't understand is why all these parties instantly sign up to any abomination Google decides to foist on us without thinking through the consequences and realizing that they just handed Google even more control than they already had.

Re: The End of AMP

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I created a - very - opinionated Wordpress Theme that out of the box - after following the install instructions - fulfils the Web Core Vitals. this was the failed campaign for it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/franzseo/fastest-possib...

we created it anyways. now i am looking for alpha testers. my email is in my profile.

oh yeah, it is AMP free as AMP is .... a horrible developer hostile, brittle and free internet hostile technology, not even mentioning the QA overhead it burdens on every project.

Re: The End of AMP

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I created a - very - opinionated Wordpress Theme that out of the box - after following the install instructions - fulfils the Web Core Vitals. this was the failed campaign for it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/franzseo/fastest-possib... we created it anyways. now i am looking for alpha testers. my email is in my profile. oh yeah, it is AMP free as AMP is .... a horrible developer hostile, brittle and free inter…

For those interested, my own website is based on it https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=...
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