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I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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I know that many of us here don't like what labor unions have become in the 21st century. But they do need some labor representation that can ensure the trucks used by drivers have working lights, mirrors, and safe tires, and that the company negotiates use of restrooms around the city. Maybe just a "safety only" union that only deals with safety issues?

Labor unions work when a firm is earning economic rents, and there is a political struggle over who gets those rents. For example the auto-industry prior to the invasion by Japanese imports.

The issue is that when there are no economic rents, then labor unions no longer work and indeed become an added cost. A lot of people don't seem to understand that, neither do they understand that economic rents are something that dissipates over time as new entrants come in with cheaper products. Especially in the world of free trade where you are competing with China and other low cost countries (in China labor unions are controlled by the state and starting your own is illegal).

But the trouble with journalism is not that fat cat firms are swimming in loads of cash and only if workers could orgnanize and demand a bigger slice of the pot they could get that. So the job security that a union job can provide an individual in one industry is not generalizable to a dying industry where companies are going bankrupt and need to cut costs as their revenues shrink.

But, you object, what about places like Germany where basically every firm is unionized? Well, unions in Germany are very different. Germany didn't even have a minimum wage until recently. None. And pay in Germany is lower. So you can't look at, say, what an UAW worker or Teamster in the US makes and then think that's what a typical worker in Germany is making because they are all unionized. So again we have this generalizability problem, where the _real_ sources of high income for workers are not unions but increasing return to scale, high productivity jobs. That is why tech workers make more than journalists. And that is why nations like Germany or China that want a society of high wage jobs fight to keep their manufacturing sector and high value add sectors, while nations like the US that are focused on short-term GDP growth have no issue selling off their high productivity jobs and shipping them overseas, at which point no amount of unionizing is going to help bring those high wage jobs back. Similarly when your industry is going bankrupt and shrinking, no amount of unionizing is going to give you the job security and good wages the prevoius generation of workers had in the same industry. This is not a problem of labor policy but industrial policy, and no amount of labor policy intervention is going to solve the industrial policy problem.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> Lurching west in stop-and-go traffic on I-80 that morning, bound for Berkeley and a day of delivering in the rain, I had a low moment, dwelling on how far I’d come down in the world. Then I snapped out of it. I haven’t come down in the world. What’s come down in the world is the business model that sustained Time Inc. for decades. I’m pretty much the same writer, the same guy. I haven’t gone anywhere. My feet are t…

I feel some Snow Crash vibe in there.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant more like since schengen and easy travel within the EU. If we keep this up, in a few centuries we might get to a point similar as USA where your identity doesn’t depend on which country your grandma comes from. The bigger question is whether we want to.

> If we keep this up, in a few centuries we might get to a point similar as USA where your identity doesn’t depend on which country your grandma comes from. As a fellow European I don't think it's going to happen. Not in a hundred years. We speak different languages that alone prevents it from happening. We might get to the point where people will define themselves with dual nationalities, like Polish-German, but thi…

>We speak different languages that alone prevents it from happening.//

I recall some people from Netherlands getting upset that English was becoming quite prolific to the point that University courses are sometimes held in English.

I think this happens to some extent in other countries in EU too?

Germany, Spain, and France seem highly unlikely to adopt English without a fight - not sure about other countries. But I wouldn't rule out some movement towards greater dominance of major languages.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> where the median home price is $572,000 Where did all the money come from in last 1 year to inflate the prices to this insanity. So asset inflation is eventually going to make impact on labor prices and cause inflation. Then is why FED so cocksure that inflation is no big deal. >So yeah, I can understand why employers can't find workers... I don't understand why employers cant simply pay more and pass on the costs…

> Where did all the money come from in last 1 year to inflate the prices to this insanity. We've been printing trillions over the past 15 years or so. And we've disproportionately accumulated it at the top (including the audience here, although the top 1% and 0.1% are doing even better than that). That money has to go somewhere. Traditional conservative investments have low rates of return right now - think low inter…

100% this. Quantitative easing basically caused epic asset inflation- great for the capital owning class, but royally fucking over the poors and young workers.

In Seattle back in the day a teacher could own a house in the city and pay it off without a sweat. Nowadays, unless you are a doctor or software engineer or patent lawyer it's kind of ludicrous idea.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Journalism has become such a tough field. I know a number of people who do OK in it. But I know a whole lot more who do writing-related stuff for companies that sell products.

Meh -- they've done themselves such harm in recent years by embracing activism and deliberate bias that it's hard for me to feel too bad for the industry.

That said, I'll applaud whichever journalists are brave enough to start pushing their industry/art back towards objectivity and diversity of perspective.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Journalism has become such a tough field. I know a number of people who do OK in it. But I know a whole lot more who do writing-related stuff for companies that sell products.

How can we fix that? Many of my family members and friends have little to no interest in reading or learning, although they do have strong opinions on just about every topic. In my mind, demand for journalism and quality journalism is going to be difficult when folks don’t want or don’t care to read. They have enough things trying to grab their attention that provide an instant gratification — whereas journalism or r…

"How can we fix that? ... demand for journalism and quality journalism is going to be difficult when folks don’t want or don’t care to read."

The education system needs to be radically reformed to teach kids to value reading, knowledge, and learning for its own sake and not just to pass tests and get in to schools that will get them high paying jobs. Critical reading and thinking skills also need to be taught more effectively.

Unfortunately, such reform is difficult to undertake in a society which mostly doesn't value any of that, and when politicians consider critical thinking among their voters to be detrimental to their own interests.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> Lurching west in stop-and-go traffic on I-80 that morning, bound for Berkeley and a day of delivering in the rain, I had a low moment, dwelling on how far I’d come down in the world. Then I snapped out of it. I haven’t come down in the world. What’s come down in the world is the business model that sustained Time Inc. for decades. I’m pretty much the same writer, the same guy. I haven’t gone anywhere. My feet are t…

I felt bad for him in the moment when he talked about being judged for being a senior and doing a "menial" job. Being a delivery driver is certainly not a high status job but I think it's a reminder not to allow ourselves to look down on any particular role in society. We need all these types of work for the gears to keep turning.

When I worked at a grocery store I reflected on how the cleaner who came every night was one of the more important workers we had.

After all, who'd want to shop groceries at a dirty place when there's a nice, clean place just a bit down the road?

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Journalism has become such a tough field. I know a number of people who do OK in it. But I know a whole lot more who do writing-related stuff for companies that sell products.

Meh -- they've done themselves such harm in recent years by embracing activism and deliberate bias that it's hard for me to feel too bad for the industry. That said, I'll applaud whichever journalists are brave enough to start pushing their industry/art back towards objectivity and diversity of perspective.

Embracing activism isn't necessarily a shooting oneself in the foot, it can be a way of trying to ensure greater profitability. A case in point is The Guardian which took a huge turn in the last decade ago from traditional British working-class themes to trans issues and the specific kind of race debates originating from the US. By doing so, the newspaper could, firstly, win the allegiance of self-identified "woke" readers (who are often affluent and thus a target for advertisers). But even for other readers, culture-war-related reporting can get people all fired up and thus generate views and ad impressions.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oil industry workers don’t seem to carry much clout, kind of a dirty job with a lot of physical labor, but pays quite well and has for a while. Truckers can still make an upper middle class salary, especially if they own their truck or focus on a niche (refrigerated, military deliveries, cross border, etc.)

I was actually thinking of underwater welders when I wrote that. Not all oil industry jobs pay well but that one really can, and it carries the cachet to boot. It's definitely manual labor royalty - dangerous, highly skilled and pays up to $300k. Truckers are not doing so well these days, and where they do make a lot it's typically because of backbreaking labor and/or taking on financial risks. This still only gets y…

"I was actually thinking of underwater welders when I wrote that. Not all oil industry jobs pay well but that one really can, and it carries the cachet to boot. It's definitely manual labor royalty - dangerous, highly skilled and pays up to $300k."

A lot of the "well paying", low-status jobs mentioned in this thread are dangrous... long-haul truckers, construction workers, underwater welders, even electricians are jobs where you have to risk your life to do them, and many of them are statistically dangerous as well.

So whether the people who have such jobs are "well compensated" for risking their lives like that is debatable.

Certainly an IT manager job that paid the same as a trucker would be far more preferable in terms of safety, and would therefore be far better compensated when the danger of being a trucker is taken in to account.

Of course, low-paid delivery jobs are even worse when you consider that those low-paid delivery drivers have to risk their lives on the road to deliver your packages.

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