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No we don’t. We eat less than most Hunter gatherers did, even accounting for variability iirc
Do you have the same nutritional needs as a hunter gatherer?
I am 100% sure they suffered all kinds of malnutrition.
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Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
#52When I was living in Russia, back in early nineties, the family could've only eaten meat once in 1-2 weeks. For us, it wasn't much special to have a week without meat. Later, I though we were well off to have it 1-2 times a week. It was just not part of the culture in the part of Russia we were, and it was, and I think still, considered simply wasteful, and irrational. When I moved to Canada in 2009, the whole idea o…
I don't know about where you lived in Russia specifically, but eastern block was eating meat every day during communism itself. Twice every day, for dinner and lunch.
Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
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#54Industrial agriculture is depleting the soil, abusing animals, polluting our water and significantly contributing to planet-destroying climate change. How about we start tackling the problem by ending subsidies and requiring meat producers to pay for what are currently treated as externalities. If meat eaters had to pay the real cost of their food, I suspect overall consumption would decrease far more than any campai…
The cause is overpopulation. Not agriculture. Less people, less problems. More people, more problems. Just look at the world population since 1950 The current solution is more efficient agriculture ( ofc ) or finding better and viable alternatives Forcing way more expensive meat is not a good option. Too many jobs will be lost at once and people will view it as an attack on their freedom. Nobody will want to make tha…
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Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
#55We eat way more than we used to, and there are more people doing it. Per capita meat consumption in the US (poultry, beef, pork) in 1960 was about 170 lbs per year. Now it’s closer to 220 lbs per person per year. Cheese consumption has almost tripled since 1970. https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/about-the-industry/st... Let’s all be heroes: Eat less (including meat and cheese), buy less, save money, improve your…
This comment is a perfect example of a person shifting systemic problems onto individual consumers. If we just all do our one little part, it makes a better world, right? Except then you get situations like the great recycling crisis, where individual consumers do their part to recycle and then we "realize" that recycling has been a giant scam for decades.
A system that relies on your consent to operate can be modified by withdrawing your consent; if individuals coordinate, systemic change is possible. Gandhi and his non-violent resistance to British rule in India is a good example.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do your sincere doubts have any basis to them or did you just want to blurt out something?
It’d be nice if a citation was provided more than just a link to Google.
People seem to have varying opinions on what (scientific) sources to trust, I hope anyone surprised by/interested in this topic will dig deeper by themselves.
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#57The future can look pretty grim when you start considering how rapidly quality of life can shift upwards even for huge populations, and how many people on earth have nowhere to go on that scale but up up up. Population growth historically received a lot of attention, but at this point there's enough queued up people waiting to join the West's way of life it looks to me like that ship has sailed. China promptly overto…
> The future can look pretty grim when you start considering how rapidly quality of life can shift upwards even for huge populations, and how many people on earth have nowhere to go on that scale but up up up. The future looks grim. Because life is getting better. for lots of people? Take this anti-humanistic garbage elsewhere. We can solve problems and make a better world without having to decrease, or even slow the…
Quantity or quality, pick one, or lose both.
Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
#58When I was living in Russia, back in early nineties, the family could've only eaten meat once in 1-2 weeks. For us, it wasn't much special to have a week without meat. Later, I though we were well off to have it 1-2 times a week. It was just not part of the culture in the part of Russia we were, and it was, and I think still, considered simply wasteful, and irrational. When I moved to Canada in 2009, the whole idea o…
I don't know about where you lived in Russia specifically, but eastern block was eating meat every day during communism itself. Twice every day, for dinner and lunch.
No it wasn't, whomever told you that told you a blatant lie.
Meat twice a day was a luxury even for Moscow, and that with CPSU keeping Moscow well fed at any cost.
In regions, it was a norm for meat shortages in excess of 1 month.
In class 4 cities, and ethnic republics, it was even worse, some form of mild scurvy was a norm there.
Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
#59We eat way more than we used to, and there are more people doing it. Per capita meat consumption in the US (poultry, beef, pork) in 1960 was about 170 lbs per year. Now it’s closer to 220 lbs per person per year. Cheese consumption has almost tripled since 1970. https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/about-the-industry/st... Let’s all be heroes: Eat less (including meat and cheese), buy less, save money, improve your…
People also grow more since then and diets change.
I'd love for the industry to remove sugar and therefore unnecessary cravings for a lot of people.
In theory: smaller humans would be the ultimate solution. But that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Perhaps a way more efficient digestion system?
The fallacy of the op is to exercise more ( = use human energy for transportation) and eat/drink less. That's not how the human body works...
Re: We’re on track to set a new record for global meat consumption
#60Why not reduce government subsidies on meat and add tax based on the pollution generated? Existing meat alternatives that are cheap to produce and create less pollution would then have a fair chance to compete? I can't see how meat alternatives are ever going to be able to compete otherwise. We already have a ton of good cow milk alternatives to choose from and people aren't rapidly switching to them so I don't expec…
Sadly, it’s because the farmers and agricultural sector will fight tooth and nail to prevent any subsidies from going away. Plus, the average consumer is going to notice the increased price of food and is likely to vote in a reactionary way. I don’t wish to be a pessimist but I don’t see how such a necessary but unpopular thing could be passed in the political landscape today.
On a bright note though, I remember the Beef Association (or something along those lines) were protesting against meat substitutes being sold alongside real meat in the same refrigerator. They seem to have at least lost that battle at the chain grocery stores.