Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s • Hacker News Board

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by tscherno » Sun, May 02, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #67

Google234 wrote: post #2

Why don’t they install detectors inside all the embassies at risk to prove or disprove this? Why didn’t they do this earlier? I’m pretty sure there are many places that could be contracted to make a detector in a few weeks - this isn’t new technology. This seems really easy to test... so why are we still speculating.

I've honestly thought about keeping one of these in my apartment, I worry a bit about people doing stupid things with microwave ovens.

As far as I know the creator of this site was later hospitalized in to locked-ward psychiatry.

http://mikrowellenterror.de/english/index.htm

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by n9 » Sun, May 02, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #84

bigbillheck wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only 'transgression' Cuba's done is its unwillingness to be a US puppet state.

Cuba isn't exactly Switzerland. It has a long history of being a Soviet puppet state during the 20th century, and a nucleation site for anti-US activities elsewhere in Latin America. Furthermore, there would be no Maduro regime without the influence of Cuba, and that regime is expressly pro-Russia and destructive to Venezuela. Let's not distill away the complexity of the situation.

If you're going to use that kind of argument, re: global/network effects of a government as complicit in negative outcomes of actions in other countries... the USA is by far the worst offender. It could be argued that the questiobnable actions Cuba has taken are justified in the context of trying to deal with an insidious and pervasive foreign influence over most of the globe: the US.

My question is what he USSR and Cuba would have ended up looking like without the insanely disruptive actions by the US. The USSR would have likely been an entirely different society if they were not compelled to spend such an enormous amount of their GDP on weapons and defense and Cuba would likewise have developed quite differently without dealing with the embargo.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by n9 » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

tediousdemise wrote: post #102

totalZero wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you understand the patchwork quilt of Latin American relations, then it is immediately obvious how those other countries are related to Cuba. Imagine discussing Cuban "transgressions" (under the present regime, no less) without considering the Soviet role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, for example.

That’s understandable, but the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Why is the US still vehemently opposed to Cuba, or improving its relationship with Cuba? Even North Korea has better standing with the US than Cuba, but it makes little sense.

Respectfully, this question sounds like it is coming from a context of the US being a nation that deals with other regimes fairly and in good faith. This is not at all the case, most especially in the Caribbean and Central America. The crimes of the US are unfathomably legion in these areas and well understood by pretty much everyone, except Americans. Millions of lives lost, dozens of democratically elected regimes deposed, the list goes on and on. Cuba holds this standing because the Castro regime has resisted the will of US foreign policy and survived. Everything that one could report that is wrong with Cuba: human rights issues, poverty... the US's policies are causal a great deal to all of these.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by giantrobot » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:04 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #104

tediousdemise wrote: post #96

The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba. See Operation Northwoods [0] and Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 [1]. Somewhat ironically, the US illegally transmits EM radiation to the island in the form of a propaganda-heavy radio station known as Radio Martí. [2] I ask you to please consider these historical events before deciding that Cuba has zapped people’s brains using targeted m…

That dates a bit. I find it hard to believe the embassy wouldn’t detect a microwave attack given that they probably monitor the whole spectrum.

Depending on the frequency radio waves can have extremely narrow beams. If an antenna is not literally in the path of the beam it can't detect it. Microwaves happen to be readily formed into tight beams. If an embassy had a monitoring system a microwave brain cooker beam might have just looked like a splash of static if it was detected at all. Multiple beams would likely be used so only their focal point (someone's head) would feel the full effect and so monitoring would be even less likely to detect such beams.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by tediousdemise » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:05 PM UTC

jjcon wrote: post #120

tediousdemise wrote: post #96

The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba. See Operation Northwoods [0] and Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 [1]. Somewhat ironically, the US illegally transmits EM radiation to the island in the form of a propaganda-heavy radio station known as Radio Martí. [2] I ask you to please consider these historical events before deciding that Cuba has zapped people’s brains using targeted m…

You are flooding this post with with multiple threads of innuendo and conspiracy theory - this syndrome is documented in dozens of officials in multiple governments at multiple levels. It has been studied by independent researchers, medical professionals, contractors etc. This has none of the hallmarks of a false flag operation, which in this case would require conspiracy on a massive scale. The US/Canada do not need…

There’s no innuendo or conspiracy. Everything I’ve mentioned is supported by fact.

People believing microwaves are frying brains might want to don their tin foils hats for adequate protection.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by whereis » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

tsimionescu wrote: post #113

whereis wrote: post #89

There's been much skepticism in recent years about whether microwaves were the cause of these officers' conditions. This news confirms that govt agencies are taking the microwave theory seriously as a confirmed explanation for these conditions. It's reasonable to agree with the conclusion at this point.

Its never reasonable to agree with the opaque conclusions of spy agencies in any country, especially when the conclusion points the finger at a hostile pwoer. There is literally no reason to believe public communications from a spy agency against their enemies (note: that does not mean that they can't be true, it just means that the truth of them is never the reason why the communication is put out).

This presumes a conspiracy amongst officers forced into early retirement to create a convincing false narrative.

What reason would the USIC have for lying about this? It seems unlikely that we would ever retaliate in kind, especially not after bringing attention to these incidents.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by amelius » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:11 PM UTC

Google234 wrote: post #4

rbanffy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A small detector would be easy to build and carry around, with 80’s technology. The connection between these events is tenuous at best.

Yeah, it actually looks like you can buy them on Amazon for about 30$. I don’t want to doubt but this seems so simple to test that the lack of any direct evidence makes me suspicious. https://www.amazon.com/Electromagnetic-Radiation-5HZ-3500MHz...

This kind of device seems marketed towards people who think EM waves in general are bad for them. It says it can't detect RF radiation while it clearly says 3.5Ghz in the description, so I think it might be a scam.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by jjcon » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:23 PM UTC

tediousdemise wrote: post #125

jjcon wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are flooding this post with with multiple threads of innuendo and conspiracy theory - this syndrome is documented in dozens of officials in multiple governments at multiple levels. It has been studied by independent researchers, medical professionals, contractors etc. This has none of the hallmarks of a false flag operation, which in this case would require conspiracy on a massive scale. The US/Canada do not need…

There’s no innuendo or conspiracy. Everything I’ve mentioned is supported by fact. People believing microwaves are frying brains might want to don their tin foils hats for adequate protection.

>The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba

To support this, you cite a proposed US operation (not a real one), a bombing carried out by cuban terrorists and a radio station?

> we only began hearing reports when Trump was in office

Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have all colluded with the former trump administration to invent havana syndrome? (The exact cause for which nobody has claimed definitively)

> immediate political actions were taken against Cuban diplomats who were likely working to lift the embargo

All this so they could push back against the embargo which they could do without the cover of a massive conspiracy?

What about what you are saying isn’t innuendo or conspiracy theory?

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by tediousdemise » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:37 PM UTC

jjcon wrote: post #128

tediousdemise wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no innuendo or conspiracy. Everything I’ve mentioned is supported by fact. People believing microwaves are frying brains might want to don their tin foils hats for adequate protection.

>The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba To support this, you cite a proposed US operation (not a real one), a bombing carried out by cuban terrorists and a radio station? > we only began hearing reports when Trump was in office Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have al…

I’m saying there’s no evidence implicating Cuba in the incidents, that they are an “attack,” or that they involved microwaves. Quite frankly, nobody knows what caused the suspected injuries.

> Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have all colluded with the former trump administration to invent havana syndrome? (The exact cause for which nobody has claimed definitively)

You are putting these words in my mouth. I never suggested that anyone is colluding or conspiring about this. However, it is patently obvious that the US is making politically-motivated conclusions that Cuba is to blame, with a lack of evidence.

Also from Wikipedia:

> After the incident was made public, the Cuban Foreign Minister accused the U.S. of lying about the incident and denied Cuban involvement in the health problems experienced by diplomats or knowledge of their cause. The Cuban government offered to cooperate with the U.S. in an investigation of the incidents.

Re: Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Post by jjcon » Sun, May 02, 2021, 6:55 PM UTC

tediousdemise wrote: post #129

jjcon wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba To support this, you cite a proposed US operation (not a real one), a bombing carried out by cuban terrorists and a radio station? > we only began hearing reports when Trump was in office Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have al…

I’m saying there’s no evidence implicating Cuba in the incidents, that they are an “attack,” or that they involved microwaves. Quite frankly, nobody knows what caused the suspected injuries. > Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have all colluded with the former trump administration to invent havana syndrome? (…

> The “microwave attack” story came out in mid-2017 when Trump was in office. Travel restrictions came back and foreign relations languished. It’s trivially easy to blame a nation state for an attack, and then use it as excuse to end political support, agreements, or funding.

> it is patently obvious that the US is making politically-motivated conclusions that Cuba is to blame

That is called innuendo friend, and right here you are asserting a conspiracy.

Especially considering that the US and Canadian governments have not officially identified causes or those responsible (though that has not stopped officials and health professionals from speculating).