Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
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Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#2I linked to the comments page, here is a document with more details: https://downloads.regulations.gov/FTC-2021-0019-0001/content...
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#3Yessssss!
It's about damn time. Time to sit down, do some research, and write up some papers!
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#4Yessssss! It's about damn time. Time to sit down, do some research, and write up some papers!
I’m assuming this is sarcasm? What do you propose be done instead of doing research and writing papers?
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#5I think the biggest dark pattern is social platforms holding the browser hostage instead of opening content in the users native browser app. Social media sites are built on user generated content. By keeping users in the app like this it puts the website at an inherent disadvantage and prevents them from providing a compelling first class experience that might compete with facebook for attention, due to their inherent parent child ui design.
Anti trust regulators came after Microsoft for deep bundling of functionality of browser and OS and I think they should do the same for facebook, google, reddit, etc. for the web view.
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#6Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#7I think the biggest dark pattern is social platforms holding the browser hostage instead of opening content in the users native browser app. Social media sites are built on user generated content. By keeping users in the app like this it puts the website at an inherent disadvantage and prevents them from providing a compelling first class experience that might compete with facebook for attention, due to their inheren…
What is good about web sites trying to force users to use their app instead? That itself one of the worst dark patterns out there.
Edit: If my comment looks confusing, the comment I replied to has been edited. "compelling first class experience" is really a more vague term for "web sites being able to push their app on users"
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#8Windows 10 does not respect the "default browser" setting when opening web-based content through apps. For example, clicking on "Help" links or search results from the start menu always opens in Edge.
This seems far worse than their IE-bundling issue back in the day... at least users have a few web browsers to choose from, but what good is that when user preference is overridden?
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#9I think the biggest dark pattern is social platforms holding the browser hostage instead of opening content in the users native browser app. Social media sites are built on user generated content. By keeping users in the app like this it puts the website at an inherent disadvantage and prevents them from providing a compelling first class experience that might compete with facebook for attention, due to their inheren…
What is good about web sites trying to force users to use their app instead? That itself one of the worst dark patterns out there. Edit: If my comment looks confusing, the comment I replied to has been edited. "compelling first class experience" is really a more vague term for "web sites being able to push their app on users"
While I agree this is a regrettable practice, the social media sites in question do the same thing too. The argument that Facebook is acting in users best interest by preventing websites from spamming users to use an app is incredibly self serving and not really all that believable.
I too wish it would go away, but both sites not having equal access the users in a similar way is anti competitive imo. Especially for businesses who increasingly need to participate on these platforms due to the fact that so many of their customers use their services.
Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop
#10Windows 10 does not respect the "default browser" setting when opening web-based content through apps. For example, clicking on "Help" links or search results from the start menu always opens in Edge. This seems far worse than their IE-bundling issue back in the day... at least users have a few web browsers to choose from, but what good is that when user preference is overridden?
If Microsoft could ensure that the target browser would properly show the help documentation, then the complaint would hold more weight.