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I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> It’s been healthy for me, a fair-haired Anglo-Saxon with a Roman numeral in my name (John Austin Murphy III) This is what assimilation looks like. Someone with an Irish name calling themselves Anglo-Saxon. It’s like a Hispanic person calling themselves Latinx, proof that they have lost all organic connection to the culture of their ancestors.

I'm majority Anglo (like, actually from England), but I have a Spanish last name from one of my grandparents, who in turn is a patrilineal native American whose family adopted Spanish naming some time in the distant unremembered past. The author's terminology could easily be correct in reference to himself, irrespective of his name. That said, I question the relevancy of this comment to the story.

> native American whose family adopted Spanish naming some time in the distant unremembered past

I'm curious: what kind of Native Americans were they that would willingly adopt Spanish names as indigenous, and not mestizo, peoples, especially given that Spanish contact was pretty violent across most of North America?

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Note that no one callled them Normans before the 1800s. They called themselves English when they conquered Ireland. The Irish (Gaels) called them Saxons (Sassenach) or foreigners (Gall). After the conversion of the English to Protestantism there was a yawning chasm between the Old English (Catholic) and the New, but no one ever used Norman contemporaneously.

> Note that no one callled them Normans before the 1800s ... no one ever used Norman contemporaneously Are you claiming that the Duchy of Normandy is a post 1800 ret-conned invention? You think it never actually existed?

The people who invaded Ireland from England and Wales called themselves English.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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I know that many of us here don't like what labor unions have become in the 21st century. But they do need some labor representation that can ensure the trucks used by drivers have working lights, mirrors, and safe tires, and that the company negotiates use of restrooms around the city. Maybe just a "safety only" union that only deals with safety issues?

UPS is union and their employees urinate in bottles.

I don't think unions are the magic wand that a lot of people assume they are

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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This is a great parody of the WASPy romanticization of a hard days work. Plainly stating the classic implication that shitty jobs are actually humbling learning experiences when white. Even more comical because I don’t think it’s satire.

It sounds like this person is in California making $17/hr. How do you make ends meet like that?

you have a spouse who earns more.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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On the hispanic comment, Spanish is a naturally gendered language, you cannot form a sentence without giving gender to at least the subject, for example "la doctora toma el café por la mañana" would translate to "the (female) doctor drinks (male) coffee by the (female) morning" because English is a mostly gender neutral language you would loose all gender information by literally translating that sentence. Now if we…

Anyone know how the unusual consonant x was chosen to replace a and o rather than another vowel (like e)? To my untrained ear, les neen-yes sounds more in line with los neen-yos and las neen-yes than lecks neen-yecks (if that's how you'd pronounce it).

It's just 'x' as in the mathematical variable 'x' for something unknown, e.g. suppose a train is traveling at 'x' km/h... They use "latinx" to abstract over "latino/latina". Of course this makes zero actual sense in Spanish.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> Note that no one callled them Normans before the 1800s ... no one ever used Norman contemporaneously Are you claiming that the Duchy of Normandy is a post 1800 ret-conned invention? You think it never actually existed?

The people who invaded Ireland from England and Wales called themselves English.

But the Normans are a real people going back over a thousand years.

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I believe that in the USA you would have a much harder time finding an able-bodied person who cannot find an available job vs. someone with multiple options. My news this week is full of stories of employers who cannot find enough labor. We are very far away from a jobs crisis.

> My news this week is full of stories of employers who cannot find enough labor. Yeah, they can't find enough labor because they want to pay people $15 an hour in an area where the median home price is $572,000. I work in logistics. I occasionally overhear some of executive staff down the hall from my office complain about being unable to keep workers in a non-climate controlled warehouse, lifting enormously heavy t…

Surely it makes no sense to compare the median home price to the lowest paying jobs? We don’t really expect people who earn the least to be buying the median house. (And it’s silly to think that 100% home ownership is some kind of ideal, it has a lot of negative consequences so we’re better off with many people renting).

This claim would be stronger if you compared to the bottom 10% of housing, say.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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A different group of Norse invaded Ireland before they did England IIRC (hence why Norse-Gaels is a thing). But the Normans who invaded Ireland came via Wales largely and were not called English until the 16th century https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubgaill_and_Finngaill

The article you link to is talking about the Vikings, not the Normans. If you can find a primary or secondary source saying they called themselves anything other than English of be delighted to see it.

The wiki on Normans in Ireland cites Brenden Bradshaw on what the Irish called them but that applied only to Donegal apparently.

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This is a great parody of the WASPy romanticization of a hard days work. Plainly stating the classic implication that shitty jobs are actually humbling learning experiences when white. Even more comical because I don’t think it’s satire.

> Plainly stating the classic implication that shitty jobs are actually humbling learning experiences when white I'm familiar with the implication that hard work can be a humbling and rewarding experience, but I'm not aware of any such "when white" qualifiers. FWIW, I grew up on a farm and did a bit of construction before embarking on a career as a software engineer, and I can absolutely affirm that hard, physical wo…

Fair point - switch white for upper middle class, my bad. I wasn’t making a point against them being humbling and learning experiences, but rather against the idea you can dip your toes in for a minute and be washed of your pretension (while writing an Atlantic article).

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> Lurching west in stop-and-go traffic on I-80 that morning, bound for Berkeley and a day of delivering in the rain, I had a low moment, dwelling on how far I’d come down in the world. Then I snapped out of it. I haven’t come down in the world. What’s come down in the world is the business model that sustained Time Inc. for decades. I’m pretty much the same writer, the same guy. I haven’t gone anywhere. My feet are t…

Every argument against Amazon-the-employer I have read recently seems to pretend that the people who work there have no choice but to work for Amazon, as if they didn't pick the job for themselves out of the array of possible options available to them. I have a lot of issues with the way Amazon operates, but precisely nobody is forced to work there. This article does a good job of pointing that out.

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