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Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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Which would be very painful when it heats the skin.

Have you noticed how microwave cooking is not warming up the skin any faster than the insides? The wavelength is selected so that it penetrates and warms water molecules. It would cook your insides according to their water content. Surface of the skin has less water than tissue inside, so you would feel pain beneath the skin.

MythBusters tested that, the outsides (of food) heat up first.

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> In 2017, President Donald Trump accused Cuba of perpetrating unspecified attacks causing these symptoms. Although the attacks were hearsay, immediate political actions were taken against Cuban diplomats who were likely working to lift the embargo: > In August 2017, the United States expelled two Cuban diplomats in response to the illnesses. Despite zero evidence, Cuba was rapidly blamed in gross political fashion:…

> So, we only began hearing reports when Trump was in office, allowing for a significant planning period. You are alleging a massive intergovernmental conspiracy, created up by Trump just so he can have some cover to strengthen restrictions on Cuba? No, the US doesn’t need a conspiracy to do that, they can just do it unilaterally. There are dozens of families that have been affected by these attacks, with varying lev…

The only conspiracy here is that targeted microwave beams are zapping people’s brains.

Holding a security clearance and being the under the constant threat of fine and imprisonment for unauthorized disclosure makes keeping national secrets trivial. Many ambassadors and politicians are required to hold security clearances.

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During Obama’s term, US-Cuba relations dramatically improved, with fewer travel restrictions and other dealings. Cuba was on track to having the embargo removed. The “microwave attack” story came out in mid-2017 when Trump was in office. Travel restrictions came back and foreign relations languished. It’s trivially easy to blame a nation state for an attack, and then use it as excuse to end political support, agreeme…

The only 'transgression' Cuba's done is its unwillingness to be a US puppet state.

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The Active Denial System, listed on your link, causes pain by heating water in the skin. What is the proposed system for getting microwaves past the skin into the brain without creating the same effect as the ADS?

Using longer wavelengths should do exactly that.

Or longer frequency i.e. shorter wavelength?

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> After years of playing down the reports and failing to provide proper medical care for the victims, Washington is now clearly alarmed at the implications of the attacks.

An important reminder to anyone who thinks that putting themselves in harm's way to do jobs for the US spying apparatus is a good idea. They won't even care for you when you get injured on the job, sacrificing yourself for their cause.

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Are microwave attacks something that is proven to exist? Can we replicate the effects on mice from some distance? Given the fact they pass through walls, this kind of bounds the frequency range the attacks could exist in... I would expect to see radio interference on nearby devices, etc (even if operating on a different frequency). I wouldn't be entirely surprised if these could be self-manifesting symptoms from peop…

Interestingly I was listening to this podcast yesterday - https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/76hgkmv/havana-synd... Analysis all the possibilities through interview with experts. Hope you find it interesting

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The descriptions of the attacks seem to indicate a pretty narrow beamwidth, so you'd probably have to wear it on a helmet :)

At intensities that would injure, you light up the whole neighbourhood with scattered radiation. There's no hiding this attack from a sensor in the vicinity.

The math would be interesting to see. I haven't seen a directed energy antenna, but you can easily drop 9db with single digit degrees off target with a big dish.

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Are microwave attacks something that is proven to exist? Can we replicate the effects on mice from some distance? Given the fact they pass through walls, this kind of bounds the frequency range the attacks could exist in... I would expect to see radio interference on nearby devices, etc (even if operating on a different frequency). I wouldn't be entirely surprised if these could be self-manifesting symptoms from peop…

To me this (the microwave part) just sounds like jumping to conclusions. I mean why not some (toxic) knock out gas? It reminds me of the cartoon pinky and the brain:`we use microwave and coffee creamer, everybody will believe our miracle, because nobody knows how these things work.

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Paranoia is the feeling that you're being threatened in some way, such as people watching you or acting against you, even though there's no proof that it's true. It happens to a lot of people at some point. Even when you know that your concerns aren't based in reality, they can be troubling if they happen too often
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