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Over the next year or so, Google will try out new office designs

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If you're vaccinated, why not?

if unvaccinated people get infected, they are more likely than vaccinated people to have the virus replicate at an accelerating rate before they show any symptoms. This large surge in replication means they will be spreading it and this may pose a danger to me. The vaccines are not %100 effective and I have several factors that would make it dangerous for me to get sick. I won't knowingly hang out with potential spre…

It is 100% effective against severe disease as far as I know.

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All of these are just half-assed, incomplete attempts to solve problems that were already solved by private offices. You don't have to worry about a sick person sitting 3 feet away from you if you have a private office. You don't need to wear a mask sitting at your desk all day if you have a private office. You don't need specialized "focus rooms" if you have private offices. You don't need specialized break-out room…

Also, if you’re trying to have half (or fewer) people at the office, you can have the same office assigned to two people, making it just as efficient as an open-office.

My first job had the best office arrangement of any company I have seen: two people offices.

We were a strategy consulting firm. Everyone had the same skills (in theory), just different levels of experience. The office seating plan paired up a junior consultant with an experienced project leader. You'd both be at your own clients half the time. So in practice you mostly had a private office. But the other person was there enough of the time that:

(a) you wouldn't get lonely;

(b) you'd learn a lot about being an effective consultant by seeing how they worked and hearing their phone calls with clients (of course, treated as strictly confidential between the two of you); and

(c) you'd get to know each other well and you'd feel comfortable asking dumb questions despite the hierarchy difference.

(d) And also every 6 months, there was an "office move" where everyone except the partners (who had sole offices) got paired up with someone else and assigned a new two-person office. This was aligned with promotions and graduate intakes, rebalancing the junior/senior mix. (The office move also encouraged everyone to archive/throwaway notes from old projects, keeping the office tidy).

The same thing would work in software development etc.

I don't know why so many companies went to full-on open plan rather than this kind of half-way house. You get some of the space savings and none of the open plan or hot-desking disadvantages.

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post #93

All of these are just half-assed, incomplete attempts to solve problems that were already solved by private offices. You don't have to worry about a sick person sitting 3 feet away from you if you have a private office. You don't need to wear a mask sitting at your desk all day if you have a private office. You don't need specialized "focus rooms" if you have private offices. You don't need specialized break-out room…

I’ll take a regular cubicle at this point. The thought of returning to long rows of desks crammed right next to each other is causing some real psychological dread.

Funny how things change. Cubicles were the poster child for dystopian corporate office environments in the 90s. And "office landscapes" were a know humanistic take on open plan developed in 50s and 60s as a response to rows of desks in the open plan offices of the pre-war period [1].

I quite like the idea of the library model - all communal space is quiet by default with many small rooms for and hoc discussion. It would take serious will to introduce it in most offices though.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_landscape

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the company doesn’t care about employees below a certain level. there’s hundreds of thousands of them and many more clamoring to get in. i still haven’t forgiven them for cancelling promos a year ago

I'm an L6. I know a handful of L7s who are looking at remote options. Attrition won't just be among junior engineers. Did you get promoted in the fall? Between backfilled raises and manager discretion comp, my experience has been that the cancelled perf ended up working out alright for most people, except those with failed promos who needed to respond to committee feedback.

i left for another company where i got a raise and promotion. the stock has proceeded to 4x at my new company and now i’m making more than my skip manager was at G. but wouldn’t have left if they hadn’t cancelled

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> Google is also trying to end the fight over the office temperature. This system allows every seat to have its own air diffuser to control the direction or amount of air blowing on them.

That just shows how clueless they are. There will always be somebody that will be unhappy somebodys cold air spills over their desk. Air temperature difference in openspace necessarily generates drafts which inevitably irritate some people.

There is a simple existing solution and it is to remove any control over temperature in the office from employees and set it to one predictable setting.

For the past two decades I worked in two dozen offices and every single time I worked in an office with controls in the rooms there were always some people fighting over temperature setting.

But whenever there is no setting available to employees everybody just adjusts and puts on clothes that are suitable to predictable temperature you know you will find when you arrive at the office.

It is my observation that people are clueless about office temperature and given choice will set temperature lower in the summer than in the winter! Which doesn't make any sense, because one part of the discomfort is the temperature difference between outside an inside. It just doesn't make any sense to be cold in the office in summer and hot in winter.

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I have once arrived at a rather large open space in summer where somebody increased temperature on one side over the weekend. That was presumably because the rest of the office was fricking freezing but the person was too lazy to set the temperature for entire office.

When I came in I thought there was a lot of noise and a small tornado as one side of the office was trying to heat up the air while other was trying to cool it down.

When different parts of a large open space have different temperature it means that the AC will be doing overtime trying to cool the air in some parts and heat it up in other parts.

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post #93

All of these are just half-assed, incomplete attempts to solve problems that were already solved by private offices. You don't have to worry about a sick person sitting 3 feet away from you if you have a private office. You don't need to wear a mask sitting at your desk all day if you have a private office. You don't need specialized "focus rooms" if you have private offices. You don't need specialized break-out room…

Wonderful comment! And all this is nothing new. It was already described in 1987 in Tom deMarcos famous book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopleware:_Productive_Project..., see also https://github.com/arkon108/book-reviews/blob/master/summari... This book is a mandatory read for everyone in IT.

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Fully agree with return to office in line with mask mandate. I’m not sure if you tried talking to someone over hangouts/zoom/teams while they where a mask. It’s next to impossible to understand what they are saying with it on. If we are looking at hybrid most chances someone will be remote. Next marketable item is masks with Bluetooth microphones I guess… I am so glad I found a new fully remote job to skip going back…

I haven't admitted this publically, but I am actually really looking forward to Project Hazel masks [0] which look like a crazy futuristic n-95, but have microphones and clear portions to help with communication. [0] https://www.razer.com/concepts/razer-project-hazel ps. They have been approved from concept phase, so they are being built as we speak

What a hideous mask. I find it hard enough communicating via mask with strangers on the street. There's an anxious feeling that goes with the proximity and the infractions of social distancing. Now imagine all that while looking like Scorpion from mortal kombat.
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