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Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #127

Anyone who thinks Linux can gain a momentum on mobile should look at Samsung and Huawei efforts to get off Google. It seems almost impossible even if you already have a foothold in mobile industry.

I didn't know they were trying to de-Google. Would that have anything to do with user concerns about privacy?

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #186

I was thinking about Plan9 lately, and Mobile is THE platform for it...i think. Since you are ~always online, how cool would it be when your phone is just the terminal, the CPU/File/Authentication-Servers sitting in the DC, is that the future?

Just read about Plan9 the other day. It’s just been donated as open source.

Edit:

Wikipedia overview, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

MIT licensed as of March 23, https://marc.info/?l=9fans&m=161650489113326

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #49

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Android runs Linux. Android is not GNU/Linux.

Wow. So normally we say: Linux is the kernel and GNU is the userland. (Remember GNU/Hurd?) So, what is Android? Does Linux run the Android userspace, or does Android run the Linux kernel...

> Linux is the kernel and GNU is the userland

No, “GNU” is the operating system project, which includes the userland components, the kernel, and everything else. Just like “Windows” is not ntkrnl.dll, nor is “Windows” the sum of explorer.exe, cmd.exe, etc. – “Windows” is the overarching project name. “GNU” is the same.

People who think of “GNU” as userland components likely are influenced by the accident of 1990’s history that was the prevalence of SunOS (etc.) systems with added GNU command utilities. But the GNU command line utilities were originally meant to be for a (yet to be written) complete GNU operating system, including a GNU kernel, Hurd. But since the GNU operating system was to be compatible with Unix, and the command line utilities were good, people liked to run the command line utilities on proprietary Unix variants, and later the same happened when a Linux-based Unix system was cobbled together; the GNU utilities were there for the taking, and they were very useful in creating a complete Unix-based system, based on Linux. This probably created the confusion that GNU = userland utilities and Linux = operating system, even though almost the opposite being true.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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This is kind of anecdotal to Meego, WebOS, FirefoxOS and all the other forms of them that happened in the past. I don't think that people will use the phone solely because it's Linux. They'll use it if it can solve their tasks at hand. Personally I think that Linux will never take off if we won't create financial incentives to make and deploy apps, additionally to fix the mess that's user rights/permission management…

What is this idea that Qt can't be used? You can license with the community license under LGPL. If Qt can't be used with an open source license, then nothing LGPL can use open source commercially, but the point of LGPL is to not scare away businesses with viral copy-left code. Yes, you have to deliver your object files and a Makefile, et c. Also, you have to open source your Qt library edits, but who needs to do that for business reasons? Are Qt library edits the industrial secret of your business? Probably not. Since when is letting other people run the linking stage on your code tantamount to giving them the keys to your business?

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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I hope they do. I crave a high speed pocket web browser that truly belongs to me. I hate Apple so much for the abusive relationship they have trapped me in. Their phones are amazing but it’s morally corrupt not having access to the source code. We consumers, collectively, have a right to know what these things are doing. I’m addicted to my phone and it contains my whole life. I believe that in the future we will look…

What other devices in your life do you feel this way about (car, home appliances, television, …)? Or are those in a different category because they aren’t managing your data?

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png

> It is full of distractions Define distraction in terms of computing first.

Everything that's not related to my current task. For example Windows UI constantly reminds me of

* application name

* ability to max, min, move

* list of running applications

* ability to run other applications

* content length and my progress

* actions on content

I don't need any of these. Like Amazon Echo users probably don't require ever present poster of available actions. Instead I have places — several of work places, generic browsing, messaging, media controls, services.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #303

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I agree with you, but I think discoverability for me is a lot more critical for software I use infrequently versus something I'm glued to several hours a day.

I learned about the space bar trick after 2 years of using iPhone after my son showed me a post on a forum. This made fixing typos much more quicker.

I discovered that about a year ago. I'm sure there are some other obvious things I don't know. In general, most of us who have been using smartphones for 10 years or so are probably able to adapt to new features fairly easily (assuming we learn about them). But it's probably easy to overlook how overwhelming they might be to someone who has never touched one before.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #299
post #212

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I hope you are joking. I have Fedora 34 with Gnome 40 right now on my gaming PC as a second system and I can barely find two windows (not even apps, just two windows) that can be defined as "nicely done". Everything else is terrible. Even worse once you start looking for apps on he net. Everything that is not Electron-base is simply ugly, constructed without any thought about UX.

You might have hit on a solution here: Electron, or, ideally, a really nice mobile-first web browser with access to APIs provided by the underlying Linux OS. I’m essentially imagining a phone OS that decouples the front-end and backend design. Implement the apps as APIs. Implement the UI using HTML5 so more designers can use their existing skills to contribute & the GUI layer can be replaced more easily. The experien…

Flutter or something similar + your backend of choice.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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post #293

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> It is full of distractions Define distraction in terms of computing first.

Popups, weird confirmation dialogs nobody reads, configurations hidden in X different uis without console interface, the amount of screen space wasted for whatever reasons and the possibility that the wasted space contains text and icons that suddenly start to blink and move (attention seeking apps), .... I feel distracted working on Windows or Mac. As if someone is putting stones everywhere and i have to mangle inbe…

Funny, absolutely everything you said applied to Ubuntu last time I tried it.
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