Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Will Linux phones stay around this time?

linmob.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 491 posts

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#261

Post by orf »

jacquesm wrote: post #257
orf wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They all do, through kernel patches, funding, open-source releases, talks and a lot more. Google especially has done a lot. But that doesn’t change the fact that the operating system Facebook, Google or Android uses is an implementation detail of the main service they offer.

If Google or Facebook would have had to pay the full license fees for one of the major Unix distributions they would have simply never gotten off the ground in the first place. One of those 'uncomfortable truths' I guess that people simply don't want to acknowledge.

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. For lack of a better word you seem salty about something but it’s really not clear exactly what. Do you want a 90's era “powered by Linux” image on the Google or Facebook homepage?

However the fact remains: Facebook’s use of PHP is an implementation detail, as is it’s use of Linux.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#262

Post by EvilEy3 »

ekianjo wrote: post #219
AussieWog93 wrote: post #139

I'd be shocked if it took off. The FOSS development paradigm seems to be allergic to good UI design, and this is far more important for people on mobile than desktop.

> I'd be shocked if it took off. Its not about taking off - it's about having an alternative that is available even if it's just for 0.01% of users.

> just for 0.01% of users

Who will develop it, why and most importantly what will it provide compared to alternatives?

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#264

Post by lower »

curt15 wrote: post #206
strzibny wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have GNOME 40 now which is beautiful. I can imagine it would be beautiful on mobile pretty soon as well.

I sometimes find it hard to understand the GNOME's design rationale. When GNOME 40 moved the dock from the left side to the bottom of the screen, it created an ergonomic problem for mouse users, who now need two large mouse gestures to switch apps -- first to the upper left corner to reveal the dock, then all the way to the bottom. And in the issue thread[1], Gnome's designers seem to be carefully avoiding the obviou…

I don't really understand the rationale either, but it's easy to add a hot bottom edge with this extension:

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4222/hot-edge/

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#265

Post by EvilEy3 »

jcelerier wrote: post #170
j-james wrote: post #114

I don't understand the desire for a Linux phone as so described in the article as a daily driver. The Android platform represents an enormous amount of work that encompasses a more secure base kernel, an unparalleled selection of applications designed for mobile usage and written in a memory-safe language, fantastic sandboxing and user privacy features leagues ahead of any desktop operating system, and great diversit…

> The Android platform represents an enormous amount of work that encompasses a more secure base kernel, an unparalleled selection of applications designed for mobile usage and written in a memory-safe language, fantastic sandboxing and user privacy features leagues ahead of any desktop operating system, and great diversity in the hardware market. but it's so freaking slow. I own a oneplus 8 pro and compared to my ol…

There's either something really wrong with your OnePlus or your eyes, if it is slow.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#266

Post by EvilEy3 »

ekianjo wrote: post #225
j-james wrote: post #114

I don't understand the desire for a Linux phone as so described in the article as a daily driver. The Android platform represents an enormous amount of work that encompasses a more secure base kernel, an unparalleled selection of applications designed for mobile usage and written in a memory-safe language, fantastic sandboxing and user privacy features leagues ahead of any desktop operating system, and great diversit…

> I don't understand the desire for a Linux phone as so described in the article as a daily driver. So you are fine throwing your phone every 2 years or so once the manufacturer stops releasing updates?

Google and Samsung offer at least 4 years of support. This number will increase in the future as they decouple stuff from core OS.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#267

Post by swilliamsio »

mpol wrote: post #154

And yet I am using a Linux Phone since 2014 as a daily driver :) And no, it is not for everyone, just like the Linux desktop. It would need a company like Nokia to put its weight behind it to bring it that far. But if a smaller company like Jolla can do it, it can be sustainable. If there are users and enough money coming in, all it needs to do is exist. And maybe some day there will be a company like Nokia putting i…

How are you finding app availability and system stability?

About four or five years ago, I had a BQ Aquaris E4.5 which ran Ubuntu Touch and used it as my daily driver. I really struggled with the lack of app support - no Messenger, no Snapchat, no Instagram, no WhatsApp. There were also lots of little bugs that really showed the operating system hadn't had the massive amount of testing a mainstream OS would get. So I dumped it and got another Android.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#268

Post by EvilEy3 »

zibzab wrote: post #256
izacus wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there ANY OS out there that doesn't allow apps to the internet by default? Seriously, you throw around things like "sociopaths" for a pretty standard and expected user behaviour in all OSes out there?

Wait, why is this a controversial stand? Is it really that bad to not wanting a random torch app to not use all your monthly data on God knows what?

Because you're throwing jabs at Android while literally every other OS in existence behaves the same way regarding network access.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#269

Post by amelius »

deadelvis wrote: post #238
rjzzleep wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say it's neither. Demoscene is a good example of when designers and programmers were working well together. Deviantart was a huge platform where people would share art and designs/skins. To some extent that still exists for iOS views. I think one thing that's different about the deviantart model was that back then apps used to have skinning interfaces. And then designers could focus on just skinning. You could ar…

This totally proves the point above of programmers not having the first clue about UX design, why it's hard and makes a the whole difference. It is everything BUT "skinning". It's about the users and their ability to understand how to work with your software to address their needs and expectations... not about your code, the designer or the manager. Those people are the product, NOT the user. If I had a dollar for ev…

To be fair, GP said "but also skinning isn't quite the same as doing ux."

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

#270

Post by bullen »

Pine would be great if the GPU supported OpenGL ES 3.

Purism is too expensive and clunky.

Eventually everything will become linux, but I think it needs Samsung to make it happen.

Linux on DeX was cancelled so they obviously are not listening.

I think Google should allow Android apps to run on vanilla linux if that is possible?

Post reply on HN