What's the benefit to a true Linux phone over running LineageOS? LineageOS at least is essentially Android, so the ecosystem is there.
Will Linux phones stay around this time?
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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#32Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone. I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family. Anyone have any suggestions?
Only options I know of are a couple crowd funding ones, and Linux is a secondary option on them (they are Android primarily). The ones from Planet Computers can run sailfish, and I've read that FXtec is coming out with a new model that supports ubuntu touch as a first class citizen.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conversations.im does jabber on Android without push notifications. It just leaves an idle TCP socket. I haven't noticed latency issues with that, but I'm not a heavy user
Having each app run in the background and manage its own notifications can work, but also causes battery life issues with more apps.
I mean, if you just have a select() command blocking, I don't see why having a 100 sockets open would be any different than 1 socket.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#34What's the benefit to a true Linux phone over running LineageOS? LineageOS at least is essentially Android, so the ecosystem is there.
I can't think of an Android app I'd prefer over a Linux alternative.
Edit: Maybe Google Maps, but that's it.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#35So how would a Linux phone possibly gain momentum?
I have no idea how it solves any job to be done for almost anyone. Does it have the apps I want, including for my bank? Does it have a great camera? Does it have fantastic battery life? Right now, the answer to all of that is definitely not, and it becomes a chicken and an egg problem, where you don’t have the investment to build all that.
And don’t give me the obvious and trite answer of “privacy”. Because we have been bombarded with ”privacy” for years, and yet Google and Facebook keep raking in the cash and the users. I see no evidence the vast majority of people care at all. (And even then: prove to a user, or me for that matter, that a cobbled together Linux stack is in fact more secure than iOS. Or, explain how Linux magically protects me from all the ad trackers on the web.)
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#36So how would a Linux phone possibly gain momentum? I have no idea how it solves any job to be done for almost anyone. Does it have the apps I want, including for my bank? Does it have a great camera? Does it have fantastic battery life? Right now, the answer to all of that is definitely not , and it becomes a chicken and an egg problem, where you don’t have the investment to build all that. And don’t give me the obvi…
You may have a point, but Android and Apple phones are also, quite frankly, garbage. I open the maps app on my Android phone, and I get a bunch of ads littered around, for places like 7/11, even for locations that are closed! I have a 64gb phone and the map for the city I'm in could be quite easily downloaded, but nope, it must contain Google's malware.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#37Being good enough is enough. Linux on the desktop could be better, but for more than a decade it has been good enough. If linux phones became as usable as linux on the desktop, that would be good enough.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#38What's the benefit to a true Linux phone over running LineageOS? LineageOS at least is essentially Android, so the ecosystem is there.
I can't think of an Android app I'd prefer over a Linux alternative. Edit: Maybe Google Maps, but that's it.
What would you like for Email on your phone from the Linux world?
A web browser?
Contacts app?
These are essentials for the phone.
What about an RSS client?
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having each app run in the background and manage its own notifications can work, but also causes battery life issues with more apps.
I mean, if you just have a select() command blocking, I don't see why having a 100 sockets open would be any different than 1 socket.
You need to keep the connection alive, which means regular traffic, which means regularly sending data, which needs energy. More connections mean a) more traffic and b) unless you add some coordination mechanism, waking up the modem more often at random times, which is energy-intensive in itself.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#40Am I missing something? Every Android phone is running Linux.
Depends what is being meant by Linux. Yes they run a variant of the Linux kernel, and there is some commonality in parts of the common libraries, but there are significant differences atop that which makes it quite different to your average desktop Linux. The overall Android environment isn't Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat, ..., or other GNU/Linux environment. (the downvotes you currently have there given the graying text ar…
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