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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

fsflover wrote: post #323
mikenew wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users and consumers to live without them It is, unfortunately, not a faulty assumption. I'm a piano teacher on YouTube, and I'm able to make money there. My entire audience was developed through the platform. I put videos on platforms like Vimeo or even Peertube, and I've had more views in one day on YouTube than their entire lifetime on those other platforms com…

Any creator with established audience can bring those people to alternative platform, e.g., Peertube. Start from posting videos on both platforms and advertise the other one. Then post videos on Peertube earlier .

That will only work for a select group of viewers. Waiting a day or even a week isn’t a huge deal for me as a consumer, and I’m familiar with it because Patreon people often put their videos up in patreon earlier than their YouTube ones.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by daedalus_f »

crescentfresh wrote: post #238
daedalus_f wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wikka Moonlight" seems to be the name of the audio the copyright claim is originating from rather than the organisation claiming the copyright. [1] The audio contains a recording of Moonlight Sonata with a load of added reverb. The uploading channel is "Alice Violet Molland - Topic". The "Topic" bit generally gets added to a channel name when a music distributer (like DistroKid [2]) publishes music to youtube on beh…

> The uploading channel is "Alice Violet Molland - Topic" I went searching around using that info and came across a (similarly outraged) thread on google's support forums about this video, in which someone named longzijun seemed to make a reasonably sound counter-argument: https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/108213944/a-posted... > Then she files a counter-notification. The appeals process has not been complete…

Unless I’ve misunderstood something, no DMCA notice or counter-notice has been sent.

Instead the copyright claim is purely via YouTube’s content ID system that detected the supposedly infringing audio before the video was even published, as the YouTuber states in the video linked. The company claiming the copyright sought to monetise the “infringing” video for themselves through this content ID mechanism.

I would argue that, while YouTube says it cannot arbitrate copyright disputes, if it continues to allow supposed copyright holders the exclusive right to decide whether something is in fact their copyright, they are arbitrating the disputes, just in a completely one sided manner, and the creators beef should be with them. If they were actually neutral, they would instead allow the DMCA system to work as you said.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by fsflover »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #331
fsflover wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any creator with established audience can bring those people to alternative platform, e.g., Peertube. Start from posting videos on both platforms and advertise the other one. Then post videos on Peertube earlier .

That will only work for a select group of viewers. Waiting a day or even a week isn’t a huge deal for me as a consumer, and I’m familiar with it because Patreon people often put their videos up in patreon earlier than their YouTube ones.

You are right. However, when Google blocks the creator, most of their audience will know how to find them.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by cortesoft »

fsflover wrote: post #323
mikenew wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users and consumers to live without them It is, unfortunately, not a faulty assumption. I'm a piano teacher on YouTube, and I'm able to make money there. My entire audience was developed through the platform. I put videos on platforms like Vimeo or even Peertube, and I've had more views in one day on YouTube than their entire lifetime on those other platforms com…

Any creator with established audience can bring those people to alternative platform, e.g., Peertube. Start from posting videos on both platforms and advertise the other one. Then post videos on Peertube earlier .

Yeah, but YouTube has ads that can pay the content creator. PeerTube doesn't.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by fsflover »

cortesoft wrote: post #330
fsflover wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> however, what is a reasonable alternative for a content creator who wants to publish their videos and be able to build an audience? Put your videos on Youtube and PeerTube.

Does PeerTube have ads or monetization?

No. But you can advertise something in your own videos as people often do nowadays.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by vkou »

blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

> Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product.

Any video hosting service that you will move to will behave in a very similar ways, in order to avoid getting sued out of existence by the media lobby.

If you want to solve this problem, the solution can only come from dismantling the parasitic parts of the media industry. That requires political action.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by kecupochren »

modzu wrote: post #260
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #247

I feel like the fundamental issue here with these giant tech companies is their scale has outgrown the capabilities of their AI . They've all basically bowed down to the mantra of "AI will solve everything", and indeed they are so big that getting human customer support at the scale they need would be a huge financial hit, even for them. But here is a situation where any rational human can say "this is crazy, anyone…

the ai is built to deal with the peasant class. the ai occassionaly abuses them, because the peasants have no power. but nobody cares about the peasants except other peasants. the peasants are fed enough (you tube mostly works for them) just enough to keep them content and any sort of uprising is quelled. content enough in their toil (creating content), the ai grows stronger.

what a world to live in

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by rurban »

Maybe the adequate counteraction is to file DMCA claims against Google itself. Like the German newspapers did. Google News copies their headlines and intro. And fotos.

Or Australian news. Google News copies everything.

Or Google Search. Googles copies everything. Text, fotos, original work, derivative work. Nobody needs to go into museums anymore. Google has it. Nobody needs go into cinemas anymore. Google has it.

Youtube is full of copyright violations, and has no adequate support mechanism to handle claims and violations, as we saw in this example. They are policing themselves, the biggest thieve of all.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by josteink »

robbrown451 wrote: post #320
blacklight wrote: post #262

I've already stated this many times, I'll state it again. Get your shit out of YouTube and any other Google product. Google is a dumb, faceless, fully automated company only interested in extracting as much data as possible from its users, force them to swallow as many ads as possible, all without caring about listening to them (both consumers and creators), under the faulty assumption that they're too big for users…

And put your content where? What should this piano teacher do? This is partially the fault of YouTube/Google, but also copyright law in general. It's broken. This community, right here, could collaborate and force changes upon the powers that be. Boycotting Google and YouTube isn't going to do it though.

> And put your content where?

Vimeo? Peertube? Facebook? Self hosted website? Anywhere?

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by cortesoft »

fsflover wrote: post #335
cortesoft wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does PeerTube have ads or monetization?

No. But you can advertise something in your own videos as people often do nowadays.

That is a lot harder to do, and only the most successful content creators will be able to find sponsors on their own. In addition, that is a lot of extra work for a small content creator.
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