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We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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Another article I see where a bunch of non-Americans are going to comment on an article which was obviously written for an American perspective (and afterwards a western one), all the while pretending to be Americans.

I don't mind disagreement. However, I have come to loath the anonymous nature of most of the internet, while the in thing is to comment on someone elses life anonymously while claiming to be in it. Most of the people commenting aren't you neighbors, or even your countrymen. It's 100 fake responses, with zero trust or authentication.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe in God, but this is historically correct. The Universal Declaration on Human Rights as conceived by the United Nations traces its roots to the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen that was a product of the French revolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of... The preamble of this document directly references God: > In consequence, the National Assembly…

That's a declaration. Which apart from mentioning a supreme being (not the Christian god) has its roots in other concepts. However, the article is typical Christian propaganda insinuating that atheists are amoral and you need the benevolent guidance of a supernatural being (and its church) to behave like a decent human being.

Atheists are immoral, because it's an illogical premise, proving a negative, and in the face of lots of evidence at that. That's why athiests always turn to insults, they have no argument - much like the message this is in response to.

Agnostics, deists, and free thinkers are another matter. But from the outset, an atheist proclaims himself as someone irrational with nothing to say.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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> The original Constitution says that our “unalienable rights” are a result not of secular rationalism, but rather an omnipotent God who endows us with those rights. No, it doesn’t. The author confuses apropaganda document (the Declaration of Independence, which still doesn’t make this specific claim—it does reference rights being endowed by a Creator, but does not specifically attribute omnipotence to that Creator)…

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Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

#25
post #5

Yeah, this is a load of nonsense. The worst part is this essays ahistorical line of thinking. Like highlighting the Romans bad behavior without examining things like the crusades and chattel slavery which used Christianity as a defense. And it’s Christian supremacist since he leaves out the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other religion that believes in human rights.

Hinduism most certainly does not believe in a common set of rights for everyone. Each person is assigned a clear position in the social hierarchy based on the caste of the parents and then the person is obligated to carry out the "dharma" as per that caste - anything outside of that is considered "adharmic" or wrong.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #16

> “The West” is any place to the West of where Christ was crucified. This … isn’t true? Maybe a few hundred years ago that was the case, but since World War 2, The West means west of the Iron Curtain

east and west were fighting and differentiated since at least before Alexander the great.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #12

> Appealing to human rights just because we say so is as baseless as appealing to astrology or the will of Zeus. You are this close to a realisation.

Well, maybe first they will appeal to "the we", "the collective", "the identity", or the will of the emperor. Then it will descend into the superstition after the dictatorship.

I much prefer the Christian religion to that, even if I weren't a believer. Mob rule and government rule - dictator rule is just an extension of "we" rule - and who is we and who gets to say? And that is, after all, what this article is about.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #5

Yeah, this is a load of nonsense. The worst part is this essays ahistorical line of thinking. Like highlighting the Romans bad behavior without examining things like the crusades and chattel slavery which used Christianity as a defense. And it’s Christian supremacist since he leaves out the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other religion that believes in human rights.

> Without the word of God, all we have are opinions.

Hopefully, data can slowly dispel this human flaw: https://m-g-h.medium.com/in-data-we-trust-2978dacc8c22

> we should ask ourselves: “Is Christianity true?” And if you think it’s bogus, then: “Why do I let these ideas influence my worldview so strongly?”

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #5

Yeah, this is a load of nonsense. The worst part is this essays ahistorical line of thinking. Like highlighting the Romans bad behavior without examining things like the crusades and chattel slavery which used Christianity as a defense. And it’s Christian supremacist since he leaves out the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other religion that believes in human rights.

Hinduism most certainly does not believe in a common set of rights for everyone. Each person is assigned a clear position in the social hierarchy based on the caste of the parents and then the person is obligated to carry out the "dharma" as per that caste - anything outside of that is considered "adharmic" or wrong.

In contrast, Christians believe in being born again, and the capability of anyone becoming children of God. That God wants that for us, and that there is no favoritism of where you were born, status or race etc, Hes loves everyone.

That actual seems more important and deeper then what the article is talking about, but it would certainly seem an outgrowth to it.

I do not know what Judaism exactly thinks on it, although the concept of God is our father couldn't have been alien - Jesus sermon on the mount was to a Jewish audience. But being born again seems unique to Christianity, a new nature. I suspect that much Judaism - I know at least there is different sects, probably has a tendency to fall into legalism or following the law properly, as Christians one can to. If you reject being born again and a new nature and changed person, going to following the law more perfectly would be what someone might turn to.

Re: We are desensitized to Christianity’s influence on Western thought

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe in God, but this is historically correct. The Universal Declaration on Human Rights as conceived by the United Nations traces its roots to the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen that was a product of the French revolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of... The preamble of this document directly references God: > In consequence, the National Assembly…

That's a declaration. Which apart from mentioning a supreme being (not the Christian god) has its roots in other concepts. However, the article is typical Christian propaganda insinuating that atheists are amoral and you need the benevolent guidance of a supernatural being (and its church) to behave like a decent human being.

The stronger form of this argument is made by Nietzsche, not by Christian propagandists.

Without God, there is no objective moral foundation. Obviously, people remain 'moral' regardless of their religious orientation, because morality is a social phenomenon, it's the 'herd instinct in the individual'. But this morality shifts and changes with times and cultures. You have no perch from which to stand and declare yourself objectively morally correct relative to some other time or culture, aside from "well, I said so." You think human sacrifice, torture of children, throwing gay people off buildings is wrong - great, sure, but here's Society X that doesn't think that, that has a whole different moral framework, and in that context those actions may be entirely moral. Phrases like "decent human being" simply mean "conforms to societal expectations."

That's why Nietzsche's famous death of God speech is directed to the atheists, not to believers.

> The meaning of our cheerfulness.— The greatest recent event—that “God is dead,” that the belief in the Christian God has become unbelievable—is already beginning to cast its first shadows over Europe. For the few at least, whose eyes, the suspicion in whose eyes is strong and subtle enough for this spectacle, some suns seem to have set and some ancient and profound trust has been turned into doubt: to them our old world must appear daily more like evening, more mistrustful, stranger, “older.” But in the main one may say: the event itself is far too great, too distant, too remote from the multitude’s capacity for comprehension even for the tidings of it to be thought of as having arrived as yet; much less may one suppose that many people know as yet what this event really means—and how much must collapse now that this faith has been undermined because it was built upon this faith, propped up by it, grown into it: for example, the whole of our European morality. This long plenitude and sequence of breakdown, destruction, ruin, and cataclysm that is now impending: who could guess enough of it today to be compelled to play the teacher and advance proclaimer of this monstrous logic of terror, the prophet of a gloom and an eclipse of the sun whose like has probably never yet occurred on earth?

On a historical note, viewing the outcomes and events of the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Soviet-era, and the like, I think it may be worth considering even for a non-believer that the "objective" moral foundation provided by Christianity serves as a useful brake on the worse excesses that arise during societal upheavals.

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