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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Iv »

qwertox wrote: post #72
Iv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ok. that's the way Google thinks is the way it should work. Or maybe they just recognize that their AI is causing more harm than good. Let's be clear. It is not Google that wants it. Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. It is the state of copyright laws, of the DMCA, of the lobbying by the RIAA. The day the whole copyright ecosystem is updated to accept that computers exist and that peopl…

> Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. Google has the means to make this stop.

How so?

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by mlang23 »

Iv wrote: post #67
qwertox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

> Ok. that's the way Google thinks is the way it should work. Or maybe they just recognize that their AI is causing more harm than good. Let's be clear. It is not Google that wants it. Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. It is the state of copyright laws, of the DMCA, of the lobbying by the RIAA. The day the whole copyright ecosystem is updated to accept that computers exist and that peopl…

I dont believe this in the slightest. Besides, the false-positives which regularily pop up around YouTube claims are not a result of any law, or lobbying. They are the result of googles sloppy implementation of the cliam system.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by ozim »

qwertox wrote: post #46
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

There are disputes over "white noise" videos so it is already as bad as it gets.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by thraway123412 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #43

Along the same lines, I was publishing church services each Sunday between May and December of last year, with three English hymns in each, mostly old ones well-known across denominations. In total, I got 23 Content ID claims (about 20% of the hymns), claiming ownership of the melody. Every single one was for a work in the public domain. I disputed each, providing the name and date of death of the composer. Two were…

I don't think I'm ever going to approve of any sort of automated copyright claim system but if Google wanted to make it one bit fair, they should use the same concept of three strikes against the accounts that make false claims and ban them.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by mullikine »

There should be some kind of law to forbid this type of unilateral model training. What great lapse of judgement to not also train the same model that is used to blacklist music to also whitelist music that is in the public domain -- and to use AI in this way, to suppress the creative freedoms of billions of human beings as the robot revolution edges closer to automate us out of existence. AI should not be used this way, but if you're going to do it you may as well be honest about it. How this algorithm could be deployed without first even acknowledging the existence of music outside of what is proprietary is disturbing

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by teachingassist »

ozim wrote: post #103
qwertox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

There are disputes over "white noise" videos so it is already as bad as it gets.

Given that white noise is random, a recorded copy of white noise is its own perfect watermark.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by Sebb767 »

avereveard wrote: post #99
0xTJ wrote: post #90

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A really great video (if you're willing to spend the better part of an hour watching it) about this is YouTube's Copyright System Isn't Broken. The World's Is.[1] by Tom Scott. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

DMCA is bad but the undisputable claim and three strike systems is all of Google own doing

The video covers this aspect. Yes, the current system is bad, but it replaces a scary letter demanding cease and desists plus high damage payments and a resolution between extremely expensive lawyers. It surely is not optimal, but I doubt your common YouTuber could afford to fight claims in court.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by techdragon »

tehwebguy wrote: post #94
Iv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ok. that's the way Google thinks is the way it should work. Or maybe they just recognize that their AI is causing more harm than good. Let's be clear. It is not Google that wants it. Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. It is the state of copyright laws, of the DMCA, of the lobbying by the RIAA. The day the whole copyright ecosystem is updated to accept that computers exist and that peopl…

Ehh, Google has gone to great lengths to ensure that the largest holders of copyright have their content libraries available to check against new uploads and apparently no lengths to ensure that public domain content is available for the same purpose.

The public domain doesn’t threaten to sue them.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by lovelyviking »

RyJones wrote: post #51

I used to have a bunch of time lapses on YouTube- my office for a few years was above the ferry docks in Seattle. I chose music from the YouTube collection of free music for background music. I have copyright claims on all of them now; I’ve taken almost all of them down. https://youtu.be/TgzqOvTvWzw As an example

btw I loved your video and I would prefer to see them even without music. I can play guitar while watching or play some other music in background.
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