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Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first 250k in profits from capital gains are exempt. It is estimated that this tax only affects the 7000 richest individuals in Washington. Keep in mind we don't have any income taxes here.

These taxes always start off only affecting the richest of the rich, until the government decides it needs more revenue.

“The government” is legislators that we elect. They aren’t some external force that is imposed on us.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#52

As a Washington resident, I think this is great. WA has one of the most regressive tax systems in the country, and this is a move in the right direction. It's crafted to have a very narrow impact. It is capital gains, but essentially only for stock sales, and only for stocks sales over a quarter million dollars. If someone sells half a million dollars worth of stock, it seems very fair the state gets some cut of that…

This tax will end up being regressive as it exempts all real estate. That's where the 'old money' is, land. The 'new money' is made in stocks.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#54
post #50

I recently came across this comment by Philip Greenspun: “if you bought an asset for $10,000 in 2000, for example, the BLS says you spent $15,700 in today’s mini-dollars; if you sell it for $15,000 in 2021 you’ve actually suffered a loss, but will owe capital gains tax nonetheless” ( https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2021/04/29/economic-wisdom... ). I’m not a finance person, and this had never occurred to me. Does he…

Absolutely. But really there should not be capital gains tax as it is double taxation - you have already paid income tax on the same dollar.

I don’t think you understand how capital gains work...

If you invest a dollar today and get ten dollars tomorrow you’ve gained 9 dollars. When were you taxed for that?

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#55

Details are sparse in this article. Looks like 7% capital gains tax, first $250K excluded, real estate excluded. Proceeds to primarily fund childhood education (for now). > For example, stock sales higher than $250,000 would be taxed at 7%. Real estate would not be. 7% (on top of federal cap gains, which are also increasing) is a significant tax rate to start with. If it was 1-2%, I could see people rolling with it.…

I like that a certain amount is excluded but I don’t like exemptions for real estate. It should be treated like any other investment.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#56

I recently came across this comment by Philip Greenspun: “if you bought an asset for $10,000 in 2000, for example, the BLS says you spent $15,700 in today’s mini-dollars; if you sell it for $15,000 in 2021 you’ve actually suffered a loss, but will owe capital gains tax nonetheless” ( https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2021/04/29/economic-wisdom... ). I’m not a finance person, and this had never occurred to me. Does he…

It would be great for the taxpayer if you could do that but the government would lose out on so much revenue. So I think any such proposal is dead on arrival.

I think it’s important to recognize that taxes are not primarily about revenue. The government can just create/inflate as much money into existence as it wants. All taxes are about behavior control and signaling. We’re either trying to discourage a behavior or signal we’re sticking it to some group or other who is getting taxed. Once you see the world through this lens all of these tax laws make much more sense.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#57
post #50

I recently came across this comment by Philip Greenspun: “if you bought an asset for $10,000 in 2000, for example, the BLS says you spent $15,700 in today’s mini-dollars; if you sell it for $15,000 in 2021 you’ve actually suffered a loss, but will owe capital gains tax nonetheless” ( https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2021/04/29/economic-wisdom... ). I’m not a finance person, and this had never occurred to me. Does he…

Absolutely. But really there should not be capital gains tax as it is double taxation - you have already paid income tax on the same dollar.

You pay capital gains on the nominal profit (versus real profit, which may actually be a real loss as in the example). You have not paid double the taxes unless you screwed up and selected a cost-basis of $0 versus the actual non-zero value.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These taxes always start off only affecting the richest of the rich, until the government decides it needs more revenue.

“The government” is legislators that we elect. They aren’t some external force that is imposed on us.

Even in a perfectly democratic system, 50.001% of the population can impose a government on the other 49.999%.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#59
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first 250k in profits from capital gains are exempt. It is estimated that this tax only affects the 7000 richest individuals in Washington. Keep in mind we don't have any income taxes here.

These taxes always start off only affecting the richest of the rich, until the government decides it needs more revenue.

Can you give an example? Your statement feels like propaganda by the wealthy. So far they got a lot of tax cuts in the last few decades.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#60
The people behind the tax already have a friendly challenge lawsuit ready. Odds are among lawyers in this state that that the court will let the tax stand, unfortunately.

The best part is this tax basically is a trojan horse. In it's present form it'll raise a small amount of money- $400M. Originally it was supposed to be a much lower threshold- ~10$k if I remember right. So it'll be ratcheted down of course.

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