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Washington state approves capital gains tax

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Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

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Why is real estate always exempt from this stuff? Is there a good reason or is the special interest just large?

Non-pessimistic answer: it’s largely the only place the middle class parks its wealth. Besides that it would be stuff like 401k and Roth IRA which would also be exempt already.

Pessimistic answer: it’s for developers and landlords

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#22
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Details are sparse in this article. Looks like 7% capital gains tax, first $250K excluded, real estate excluded. Proceeds to primarily fund childhood education (for now). > For example, stock sales higher than $250,000 would be taxed at 7%. Real estate would not be. 7% (on top of federal cap gains, which are also increasing) is a significant tax rate to start with. If it was 1-2%, I could see people rolling with it.…

The first 250k in profits from capital gains are exempt. It is estimated that this tax only affects the 7000 richest individuals in Washington. Keep in mind we don't have any income taxes here.

"Keep in mind we don't have any income taxes here."

That's not really what the supporters of this bill think. They claim an excise type tax already exists and that it provides precedent for this one since income taxes are unconstitutional.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

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Proceeds to fund child education. Like the state gas tax, you still won’t get itemization of its breakdown to ensure that it is really where it is going to go. So, color me surprise.

If you are against the bill - you are against child education. It's that easy. And stop asking questions.

Not sure if this is sarcasm...

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

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Ah, so this bill will tax gains from productive activities like investing in and building companies, while exempting gains from rent seeking activities like real estate. Why am I not surprised?

Maybe they’re promoting productive investments in real estate, while punishing people for rent seeking off of companies just because they fronted the capital.

You know that most real estate investing is like... buying land and extracting literal rent, right?

This is a bizarre take.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#25

Why is real estate always exempt from this stuff? Is there a good reason or is the special interest just large?

There's a fairness argument that can be made (but probably should only apply to primary residences only) - you buy a house for $100k in Seattle 10 years ago - now you want to move to another neighborhood into an identical house, but both are now worth upwards of $500k - you'd have to come up with the tax difference on the "profit" even though all you're doing is moving between nearly identical properties.

Also stock sales are more easily "structured" to avoid this tax (sell half this year, half next year) whereas a house has to be sold as a "whole".

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are against the bill - you are against child education. It's that easy. And stop asking questions.

Not sure if this is sarcasm...

Definitely sarcasm with 'And stop asking questions.'

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#28

Why is real estate always exempt from this stuff? Is there a good reason or is the special interest just large?

Non-pessimistic answer: it’s largely the only place the middle class parks its wealth. Besides that it would be stuff like 401k and Roth IRA which would also be exempt already. Pessimistic answer: it’s for developers and landlords

Yes, if you included real estate at the 250K number, you'd hit a much broader target than you would for stocks. But eliminating real estate entirely is a huge break for rent-seeking large landlords and developers. Probably should've simply chosen a higher dollar threshold for real estate.

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#29

Why is real estate always exempt from this stuff? Is there a good reason or is the special interest just large?

Not sure if this exempts all real estate. In other areas they often exclude the primary residence. I think it's because for most people, that's their biggest asset and would represent a huge loss of wealth for the lower and middle classes. Especially if they are selling it to move into a retirement home (they'll likely need that money to pay for it too).

Re: Washington state approves capital gains tax

#30

As a Washington resident, I think this is great. WA has one of the most regressive tax systems in the country, and this is a move in the right direction. It's crafted to have a very narrow impact. It is capital gains, but essentially only for stock sales, and only for stocks sales over a quarter million dollars. If someone sells half a million dollars worth of stock, it seems very fair the state gets some cut of that…

> especially if it's earmarked for childhood education.

If it's earmarked for childhood education then don't be surprised if other childhood education funds are reallocated elsewhere.

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