Google employees are some of the most highly compensated people in tech. I wonder how many people decide to stay at google rather than taking a 30%+ pay cut?
i would take a 50% pay cut just to work from home. quality of life > money.
Google's push to bring employees back to offices, some say they'll rather quit
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While technically correct, I think you are dramatically overestimating the difficulty ex-googlers have in getting a new job.
A new job that carries same prestige and benefits?
I think you're greatly overestimating the prestige of working at Google, or the value of said prestige.
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GOOG folks, FB is recruiting stressing on "remote". Call a recruiter today!
No FANG company has good work culture or good work/life balance anymore, and all are entangled in some morally questionable project or another. Go work for a startup.
Are startups any better? From what I have seen it's, "work for low wages in a high stress environment, and pray we go public in 5 years".
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Quality of life improvement when you work remote is several fold higher. You have to experience it. I've been working remote (consulting) for about 4 years now. My wife has done it about 1/2 her career. We live in sunny SoCal (expensive, but very tolerable when you don't have to get on the freeways). Take care of No. 1 first. That is you. GOOG folks, please don't cringe at FB. There is no difference.
Getting ~11 hours of my life back from commutes a week alone is worth it. That's almost a full day! (assuming 16h wake cycles) Would i prefer in-office if i didn't have to commute? Maybe. The downsides are just not worth the upsides, though. To me.
I have a nice ~20min (4-5mi) bike ride to/from work in the SF East Bay, usually good weather. Found a route with bike lines and moderate traffic so its pretty nice. I'm looking forward to going back to the office more.
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No FANG company has good work culture or good work/life balance anymore, and all are entangled in some morally questionable project or another. Go work for a startup.
Or for one of the tens of thousands of non-faang/non-startup businesses out there paying good money with actual work/life balance. As a side note, I personally find it hilarious to associate work/life balance with a startup.
If you're a FANG-caliber candidate, the pool of startups you can work for have good work/life balance, high pay, and are pretty awesome. In general though you are of course right.
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Not really. As somebody who has seen both sides of a hiring process like that, the reality is the vast majority of candidates are just awful. You can probably rule out nearly 75% of applicants right off the bat. Add in hiring laws, bureaucracy, immigration, negotiation, candidates withdrawing, and finding a good person who works for your team can take months.
Awful in what respects? I was under the impression that it was sort of like Harvard: lots of applications, but a good chunk of those denied could have just have easily been accepted if there was space You seem to have experience with their hiring and I have none (only applying) so I have much more faith in what you're saying than my preconceived ideas.
As in, a significant chunk of candidates cannot write code, have outright lies on their CV, have never used anything other than visual basic, etc...
In addition, basic statistics suggests you need all new hires to be better than 50% of the existing company, or your average skill level will go down, which makes hiring just hard mathematically.
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Based on the competitiveness of googles hiring process I imagine there's a pretty big pool of candidates for them to choose from though.
Not really. As somebody who has seen both sides of a hiring process like that, the reality is the vast majority of candidates are just awful. You can probably rule out nearly 75% of applicants right off the bat. Add in hiring laws, bureaucracy, immigration, negotiation, candidates withdrawing, and finding a good person who works for your team can take months.
Yes, could you elaborate on the awful nature of most applicants? Do you mean that they are not fit to make software or that they are not Google material?
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A new job that carries same prestige and benefits?
I think you're greatly overestimating the prestige of working at Google, or the value of said prestige.
If you know how to leverage your experience you can literally walk in as the CTO of most small startups if you are an ex-googler and don't act like a drone.
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#139It seems strange that Google management would push so hard on this. Nearly everyone I've spoken to has reported that WFH productivity has been equal, if not better than pre-pandemic. What possible upside could there be that justifies forcing the issue and hurting morale by pissing so many people off? Sure, maybe there's an argument that a fully remote company has a hard time propagating a coherent corporate culture.…
Having read Work Rules! by Laszlo Bock, It does not seem that strange to me... The Google culture and leadership, right or wrong, hold on to the belief that the spaces they cultivate, do more than just enhance productivity. For example, they believe that (regardless of how rare it may be) their spaces create opportunities for teams to bump into each other and build solutions/products out of that.
I think there is something to that - a lot of stuff used to come up from random encounter with other peopl in the company and yet that almost totally absent now. A lot of stuff seems like it is still coasting based on that momentum (eq. people you met at a conference or at lunch) yet new connections are not being made.
That could be a problem over time unless people can met at the office again in some form and go to conferences. Or some remote form of that would be needed.
Re: Google's push to bring employees back to offices, some say they'll rather quit
#140It seems strange that Google management would push so hard on this. Nearly everyone I've spoken to has reported that WFH productivity has been equal, if not better than pre-pandemic. What possible upside could there be that justifies forcing the issue and hurting morale by pissing so many people off? Sure, maybe there's an argument that a fully remote company has a hard time propagating a coherent corporate culture.…
This is how you know there are lots of people not doing much work who know their massive income depends on other people doing the work.