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If Apple can disable third party apps remotely, who’s iPhone is it, anyway?

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Re: If Apple can disable third party apps remotely, who’s iPhone is it, anyway?

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Post by gm »

Seriously people, with Apple having the history it has, is anyone surprised by this? Honestly, anyone? This is like someone writing a blog post complaining that there are no clones for Apple hardware, or getting a cease and desist after posting a picture of some theoretical apple hardware product...

Re: If Apple can disable third party apps remotely, who’s iPhone is it, anyway?

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Post by nickd »

If used responsibly, I don't understand why this is a big deal. In my opinion it's a pretty smart thing to have in place (Though I would hope they would put some verification into the process in the future as not to be spoofed). Imagine if a malicious app did get out of hand. Every trash blog is drooling to write that very article. Apple's already had a perfect opportunity to use it in the very way we're all worried about (Netshare) and they haven't. If just makes me think that it's only purpose is to block applications that are malicious to the enduser and nothing else. I guess only time will really tell.

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Post by iigs »

axod wrote: post #5

Is "Apple bashing" the new "Why twitter doesn't scale"?

"Apple bashing" isn't the new anything. Semi-informed yay/boo-{apple,commodore,ibm} thing has been going on since at least the mid '80s when you could buy software on floppy disks at your local Wal-Mart/K-Mart, and probably before that but I wasn't old enough to witness it.

The most notable thing about the article in question is that the author seems surprised and concerned that this functionality is there and that there isn't a huge banner on apple.com about it.

RIM has access to the SSL keys used to encrypt traffic between Blackberry handsets and the BES (I don't recall if they do Handset-RIM and RIM-BES crypto or the keys are just escrowed). There are allegedly Nokia handset firmwares that allow silent keying of the microphone, and OnStar has been used by the US government in the same way allegedly, as well.

For science sake people, know what decade you're living in. Network providers aren't going to sell you a device that they can't remotely manage. Unless you're bringing a device to the network yourself it's definitely "owned" in at least the script kiddie sense by the carriers.

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Post by a-priori »

iigs wrote: post #9
axod wrote: post #5

Is "Apple bashing" the new "Why twitter doesn't scale"?

"Apple bashing" isn't the new anything. Semi-informed yay/boo-{apple,commodore,ibm} thing has been going on since at least the mid '80s when you could buy software on floppy disks at your local Wal-Mart/K-Mart, and probably before that but I wasn't old enough to witness it. The most notable thing about the article in question is that the author seems surprised and concerned that this functionality is there and that t…

About RIM's security: if you run a BES, you alone control the keys used to encrypt data between the Blackberries and your BES. Even though the messages pass through RIM's servers, all they know is the routing information to get it to your BES.

I remember something recently where (I believe) the Indian government demanded RIM hand over the keys to the BESes run by private Indian corporations. RIM said they could not, because they did not have them.

Edit: Here's an article describing their security in more detail: http://seclists.org/isn/2008/May/0119.html (apparently, the encryption I'm talking about is an add-on feature -- news to me)

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