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Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

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What are the best technologies to focus on in order to be mobile/remote? I've notice that nobody is interested in remote C++ development, and the few people I meet who are doing something like this are in some branch of web development.

Sure. The bottom line is that nobody is interested in any serious stuff being done remotely. So those type of stories you usually hear from someone like these folks who did "online communications" and "freelance web design/programming", which is not serious by definition. Projects involving something like C++ have significantly higher chances of having a bigger scope, impact and different set of responsibilities from…

Ironically, we are trying to find people who can work remotely (.NET) and funny enough, no one is interested in doing serious stuff remotely :)

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

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post #34

It sounds nice if you can pull it off, but on the occasions where I've been continually moving from place to place I've found it much harder to actually get anything done. Continual travel adds cognitive and other entropic overheads which deplete your mental and energy real estate.

Yes, i have the same problem. Many times i thought, that i will build something while traveling, but that never happened :)

Though as far as i understood, they solved this with going out as tourists only on weekends.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#53
When it comes to discretionary spending I believe the 80:20 rule applies very often.

I wanted a smartphone so I got the cheapest Android. I'm sure I'm missing something the most expensive phones have but not much.

My car is 12 years old it pretty much does everything a new car does, it doesn't look pretty but I don't have to worry about it being stolen either.

It's helpful to look at things from the other end. Companies produce a baseline product for a certain price, they then try to add value which essentially means getting people to pay a whole heap more for not very much extra. Sometimes even the extra is illusory (eg a celebrity endorsement).

You can have almost as good the lifestyle of someone with many times your income if you can see past marketing.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#54
post #7

What’s the best way to go about finding places to live for a short time that don’t cost an arm, leg and rib?

We've been doing this for going on two years now. Off-season--even just by a few weeks--rocks for better pricing. We've gotten a bunch of beautiful places very inexpensively off-season, after school starts, for example...this is in the US; for what we do, we need consistent & reliable Internet access, plus we're traveling with our pet.

VRBO & HomeAway have been pretty solid senders, we've tried a bunch of other options, but I don't think we've ever managed to book via any other site (except for one rental straight through the condo complex in an area not well-served by HomeAway/VRBO). Searching VRBO is a pain in the neck, but the owners tend to be a lot more experienced.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#55
We've been doing this for three years now. This couple seemed to focus on having a year abroad, we've made it our lifestyle, and we're doing a startup (rather than consulting).

I started this as a response to the "how to keep productive" question, but I'll try to address the other questions people have been asking in the thread later on.

We also have the issue of taking some period of time to get back into the productive zone. What we do is spend the visa limit time in each country. For americans in the UK that is 6 months, for instance. So we rented an apartment for 6 months. In the Shengen zone (most of europe) it is 3 months, and last year we spent 2.5 months in berlin.

In both cases we spent most of the time working a normal lifestyle %90 of the time. After our 2.5 months in berlin we spent a couple weeks traveling as tourists (that's where the other 0.5 months went.)

I figure 2 weeks on either side of a relocation are not going to be productive, so might as well spend half of that time, or so, doing tourist stuff. By having such great breaks regularly, we are recharged and I think more productive when we are working.

The weird thing is, indoors, the only thing foreign really is the outlets... so it feels like we're still in the USA, but then you step outdoors and the language, accents and architecture are completely different. So you can "travel" across the globe every day. It is really hard to explain that feeling but it is pretty powerful.

-- Taxes & Visas-- As far as governments are concerned we're tourists. We present ourselves this way and we get tourist visas. However, for most visas "tourist" and "business" visas are essentially the same. We don't work in any country in the sense that we don't have a job, we don't participate in their employment schemes. We're taxed like americans (the US taxes your income no matter where it is earned).

-- As I mentioned we're doing a startup. (We did one and we're just in the process of pivoting so what the new one is at this point is a little vague.) I don't feel out of the technology scene at all-- I have all the same connections I did before we left, except that I can't go to local unconferneces, but I didn't really get much out of them.

There is one conference that I miss that is done in the USA only, but we started buying the videos for it. Spending hundreds of dollars on conference videos sounds expensive, but it is cheap compared to actually going there (Even from within the USA). I don't really miss the networking opportunities-- and we're now networking with a real international network. EG: we network with the locals wherever we are.

The technology scene really is global.

-- Budget:

This is a big one. This inhibits a lot of people. However, if you've got an income from your work, and savings to get by in the USA, you can get buy longer when you're traveling. Even traveling in expensive first world places like europe, right now, we're able to live on the budget we were living on in the USA. Overall, we're actually spending a bit less, and we spend a lot less when we are living in lower cost places (even places in eastern europe, which are "expensive" compared to southeast asia, are cheep.)

So, we could have remained in the USA, and spent the same amount of money. I don't think we would have gotten any more work done, and we would have had a lot less fun. Plus, as our product is global, better understanding of other countries helps.

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Health insurance: We have the health insurance we had in the USA. It covers us globally. There are specific health insurance plans that cover long term travelers and we might switch, we just haven't done so yet.

Neither of us are under 30, nor are we over 50.

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Crazy? You hear a lot of people who knock this idea. Lots of people say "I'd love to do that but I've got responsibilities" or the equivalent.

That's fine... just don't presume we're not doing serious work, we aren't doing a "real" startup or anything lie that. These days startups often have employees spread around the globe... we don't have to carry the whole company with us.

I think people thinks this is harder than it is. Or maybe for some people the idea of living out of a backpack is tough.

Personally, I relish the challenge!

Between my laptop, camera, and assorted stuff, I've got about 7 pounds of clothes etc, and 10 pounds of electronics gear. Every time we-repack, we actually shed some unnecessary stuff. It is a process... but I love it.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

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post #34

It sounds nice if you can pull it off, but on the occasions where I've been continually moving from place to place I've found it much harder to actually get anything done. Continual travel adds cognitive and other entropic overheads which deplete your mental and energy real estate.

Yes, i have the same problem. Many times i thought, that i will build something while traveling, but that never happened :) Though as far as i understood, they solved this with going out as tourists only on weekends.

I have this exact problem even without the travel... A couple of days at home without continuous jobs / tasks needing to get done. Great, I can finally get onto doing some work for project X!

Except it never happens. Seems my motivation / drive is so depleted that the best way to use the days off is to actually rest. Then I feel great (although generally a little miffed that I didn't get anything done on project X) and for the next several weeks I seem to have more focus and be able to get my everyday things done more effectively.

Sometimes the best way to utilise a break is exactly that - have a (complete) break and just rest the mind - I find some physical exercise (surfing) helpful with that too.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#57

We've been doing this for three years now. This couple seemed to focus on having a year abroad, we've made it our lifestyle, and we're doing a startup (rather than consulting). I started this as a response to the "how to keep productive" question, but I'll try to address the other questions people have been asking in the thread later on. We also have the issue of taking some period of time to get back into the produc…

It sounds like a lot of fun, but how do you save for your retirement? If you spent 10 years doing this, wouldn't you be too far behind to catch up and end up living a poor lifestyle when you should be traveling and enjoying your later years?

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#58
post #34

It sounds nice if you can pull it off, but on the occasions where I've been continually moving from place to place I've found it much harder to actually get anything done. Continual travel adds cognitive and other entropic overheads which deplete your mental and energy real estate.

We've done this pretty successfully, actually, for going on two years - and you're right about the continual travel planning being depleting...but new places are also really energizing...the key is making sure the length of the stay coincides with your release cycles. So, stay somewhere a month or more for a really big push, two weeks for maintenance and bug fix releases. This gives another fun advantage: release code names very easy to choose/remember. :)

Also - make sure you've got a nice view. We've found that our productivity increases substantially when we've got something nice to look at. Building product in basements is depressing and can really drain your energy/creativity/purpose. There's something about the ocean or the desert that can really drive you forward.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#59
post #33

Not trying to take away from how fantastic and inspiring a story this is, what's with the "check for grants/subsidizing" bit? Is the ultimate advice "be from a wealthy country that lets you travel on welfare"? :)

Or even better,come to Canada and claim refugee status when you arrive, you get social assistance payments and free dental and health care while you are processed through the queue to determine if you are legitimate, takes about a year. Apparently its quite a popular vacation option for people from Mexico, there is even a "how to" guide online.

No thanks. Abusing government resources that are intended for real refugees that have had to flee war zones and oppressive governments is not only unethical and rude, it could also land you in jail for welfare fraud.

Re: Don't be rich, Live rich

#60
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And where do you need to file taxes?

You usually have to pay income taxes on income earned while you're resident in a country. If you're on a tourist visa, you're not resident, but really the visa regimes aren't set up to understand this way of working. In practice just pay taxes in your country of "residence" not the country you're in temporarily. Many countries have 60-90 day visas for visitors from first world countries.

While it would be extremely difficult to detect or enforce, and generally the language around the law is very much designed with traditional working environments in mind, it is somewhat of a gray area legally in most countries.

I've received many different explanations over what's acceptable and, of course, many government documents will seem to contradict each other. However it is not beyond the possibility that one would run into a problem with this when dealing with some local authorities.

The other thing to keep in my is that residency is often tied to a minimum number of days spent within the country you are filing taxing in. They also can take into regard your "intent" of where you plan to be living next year. You can be judged to not actually fulfilling the residency requirements and be taxed on foreign earnings.

Most people who do this won't have issues but I've witnessed had one border agent mull over whether to deny entry or let them through, based on answers to questions about activities in other countries.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice

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