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Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by wumpus »

cheese_goddess wrote: post #268
danShumway wrote: post #230

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> and I gave you actual "almond milk" What makes that the actual version? Almond milk as an animal milk substitute made from almonds dates back to the 1300s[0]. It's not new. I hear where you're coming from, but I also question what does and doesn't count as an "authentic" name, and I suspect a lot of it comes down to people thinking that the names they used growing up or the names they ran into first are the "real"…

> What makes that the actual version? That it's milk with almond. Like "chocolate milk" is milk with chocolate and "milk coffee" is coffee with milk.

So if I'm Catholic, it's OK for me to drink almond-flavored dairy-milk during Lent? Win!

From medieval and Renaissance-era recipes, religious rules appears to be the main reason almond milk is used. Because it's not dairy.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by wumpus »

mywittyname wrote: post #252
DangitBobby wrote: post #193

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> What's wrong with calling the vegan almond milk "almond-based milk alternative" if it's not actual milk? Because that would be crippling for an advertising perspective. It sounds like something out of a satirical sci-fi dystopian environment. The goal is to encourage people to choose it as an alternative to dairy milk, not to use the most precise label.

Food is very highly regulated. And for good reason. It seems totally feasible to require a new product to have a new name, even if it's kind of like an existing product. Think: ice cream. Ice cream is a regulated product with a formal legal definition. Places making cheaper ice cream substitutes were forced to come up with names to distinguish their products: soft serve, Frosty, FroYo, etc. It takes the consumer all…

"new product", one that's hundreds of years old. Check out medieval and Renaissance recipes for Fridays and Lent.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by wumpus »

tpoacher wrote: post #314
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #279

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Huh? Almond milk goes back 500 years and has always, always been made of only almonds. It would be very strange to rename it after 200 generations and several civilizations have come and gone.

Yes you're right that was a bad example. My bad choice of specific example shouldn't dismiss the more general point though.

If you want to pick another bad example, consider "rice milk" in Asia. Not a dairy product.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by wumpus »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #400
wumpus wrote: post #397

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You might be surprised to learn that "milk" and "cheese" have been used to refer to non-dairy products in many cultures and places over thousands of years. In Western Europe, it's tied to meatless Fridays and Lent, so it's a religious freedom issue. And in many other religions worldwide, too. Sorry you were confused! Poor behavior by your grocery store.

Yea, but aren't those items obviously not milk or cheese?

Almond milk? It's kind of like the shitty non-fat milk from powder that I drank as a kid. If I hadn't become lactose intolerant after I turned 50, I wouldn't touch almond milk unless I was making a Renaissance recipe. Given that I wanted to use it for cappuccino, I had some fun learning about the history of almond milk.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

milesvp wrote: post #293
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #279

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Huh? Almond milk goes back 500 years and has always, always been made of only almonds. It would be very strange to rename it after 200 generations and several civilizations have come and gone.

Bah! I think you may be right. A quick google corroborates it was referenced in english as early as the 14th century. I’ve been annoyed at the term milk for non lactose based liquids for a while now. I’d assumed it was modern marketing usurping the term. Now I have to find some other thing to be mildly annoyed at.

I was the same way. Its hard on this old dog sometimes.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by athms »

boston_clone wrote: post #379
athms wrote: post #345

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>...all mammals, need to have given birth to produce milk. Wrong. Humans don't need to be pregnant or give birth to produce milk. Lactation can happen with medication or stimulation, which becomes easier as women age. If a woman is not inducing lactation with hormones, she must stimulate the breasts several times a day using hand compression or a breast pump. This is how adoptive and foster mothers breastfeed their b…

How, then, do you consider forcing medication or stimulation on a sentient being, without their consent? Obviously if this took place with a human, it’d violate several kinds of rights. Now extend that train of thought towards other beings.

Where in my reply did I mention forcing lactation on people? That is right, nowhere.

Perhaps you need some remedial reading comprehension.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by leadingthenet »

boston_clone wrote: post #372
leadingthenet wrote: post #44

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> [...] is good enough There is no such thing when it comes to cheese. Cheese is love, cheese is life.

That’s just the morphine talking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casomorphin

I’m aware. The superiority of real cheese is demonstrated yet again!

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by Ma8ee »

hutzlibu wrote: post #363
Ma8ee wrote: post #253

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We drink a lot of non alcoholic beer. I want something more exiting than water even on work day lunches and I don’t like sweet drinks and I’m trying to reduce my caffeine intake. Not that much left to choose from then.

"Not that much left to choose from then." If you are happy with non alcoholic beer, stay with that, but have you heard of - Tea? There are lots and lots of different tea's around, as you can make tea out of allmost anything. So plenty of caffeine-free choices there.

I sometimes make ice tea in the summers. But I have to make it myself. All readymade ice tea that I’ve found is horribly sweet.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by sizzle »

scarmig wrote: post #273
Ma8ee wrote: post #253

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We drink a lot of non alcoholic beer. I want something more exiting than water even on work day lunches and I don’t like sweet drinks and I’m trying to reduce my caffeine intake. Not that much left to choose from then.

There's a product called Hop Water that hits a perfect spot for me. No alcohol or calories in it, and it is refreshing and hoppy enough to drink either by itself or to cut the oilyness of many bar-type foods.

Awesome where can I try this??

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by sizzle »

smhenderson wrote: post #186
js2 wrote: post #81

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I tend to agree with this. I'm not a vegetarian, but if I were, I'd wouldn't eat imitation animal products anymore than I'd drink non-alcoholic beer. I'm happy to eat vegetarian food. It stands on its own as delicious. One of the best "burgers" I've ever had was made with black beans and wasn't trying to imitate meat. (It was at The Vortex in Atlanta years ago.) Imitation products that I've tried have always just lef…

I agree completely but one exception for me is using Boca burger as a sub for ground beef. If I chop them up, season them and then use the result in chili or something it really does give it, to me anyway, the "taste" and "texture" of ground beef. I know I'm tasting the seasoning I used and the infusion of other flavors from the chili more than the taste of the soy burger but my stomach doesn't care, to me it's just…

Have you tried impossible meat? It’s so satisfying and mimics meat better than anything I’ve tried out there.
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