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Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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I thought this was funny:

http://appsterdam.rs/events Starts: Wednesday 06/29/2011 - 19:00 Ends: Wednesday 06/29/2011 - 19:00

US-dates coupled with "Americans can visit for three months without a visa. Pack up the family for a summer vacation in Europe." make me wonder how much this thing is targeting Americans over, you know, us Europeans who don't already have a Silicon Valley.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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> a location that’s far less expensive, and easier to immigrate to, than Silicon Valley. 4 years ago I travelled (mostly-) western Europe by train, staying in some of the big cities. Compared to the likes of Paris, Barcelona, Rome and Munich, I felt Amsterdam was a lot more expensive. Of course times may have changed, and the comparison was to Silicon Valley, which I have no experience of, but it struck me as a stran…

I made a quick search on Google and Amsterdam turns out to be less expensive than the cities you cited.

First two links:

http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/expensive-cities-europe... http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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post #21

I thought this was funny: http://appsterdam.rs/events Starts: Wednesday 06/29/2011 - 19:00 Ends: Wednesday 06/29/2011 - 19:00 US-dates coupled with "Americans can visit for three months without a visa. Pack up the family for a summer vacation in Europe." make me wonder how much this thing is targeting Americans over, you know, us Europeans who don't already have a Silicon Valley.

Don't worry, it's for Europeans and Americans equally. But Europeans (as me) do not need a visa and can come here anytime without any problem. This is the only reason for that sentence.

We had around 150 people at the launch keynote. There were some Americans, but the majority were people from around all Europe.

Edit: BTW, thank you for the report, I notified the person responsible for the website about the error.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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post #22

Amsterdam is neat but the Dutch hackers I know all choose to live in California because of the weather.

IMO the summer here is great. It's not too hot and I love to bike in the summer breeze. In these days the sun sets at 10pm.

Of course there are trade-offs, and you have to go through the winter which in California does not exist.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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post #22

Amsterdam is neat but the Dutch hackers I know all choose to live in California because of the weather.

IMO the summer here is great. It's not too hot and I love to bike in the summer breeze. In these days the sun sets at 10pm. Of course there are trade-offs, and you have to go through the winter which in California does not exist.

I was thinking more about the drizzly rain. I've only been there about 10 days total but it rained every day (in the summer.)

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the summer here is great. It's not too hot and I love to bike in the summer breeze. In these days the sun sets at 10pm. Of course there are trade-offs, and you have to go through the winter which in California does not exist.

I was thinking more about the drizzly rain. I've only been there about 10 days total but it rained every day (in the summer.)

In the summer it definitely rains more than in the winter, but not that much. Sometimes the weather turns bad for some days as you experienced (and as it happened last week). Overall I don't think it rains that much, I can count on one hand the times I had to wear the raincoat on my bike during the last months (I bike every day). Drizzle is bearable in my opinion, but of course does not compare to an always sunny weather.

I prefer much more a changing weather and changing seasons to constant weather, but that's definitely very personal.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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> a location that’s far less expensive, and easier to immigrate to, than Silicon Valley. 4 years ago I travelled (mostly-) western Europe by train, staying in some of the big cities. Compared to the likes of Paris, Barcelona, Rome and Munich, I felt Amsterdam was a lot more expensive. Of course times may have changed, and the comparison was to Silicon Valley, which I have no experience of, but it struck me as a stran…

I made a quick search on Google and Amsterdam turns out to be less expensive than the cities you cited. First two links: http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/expensive-cities-europe... http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm

According those links, San Francisco or San Jose aren't even in the top 50 most expensive.

Every time I read one of these "the Valley is moving to X" articles, I'm reminded of the last 15 years of "the Valley is moving to X" articles that haven't come true. Tech is a huge industry, and growth allows for jobs everywhere. I don't know why all of these articles have to be phrased as if jobs need to leave the Valley to make it happen.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a quick search on Google and Amsterdam turns out to be less expensive than the cities you cited. First two links: http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/expensive-cities-europe... http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm

According those links, San Francisco or San Jose aren't even in the top 50 most expensive. Every time I read one of these "the Valley is moving to X" articles, I'm reminded of the last 15 years of "the Valley is moving to X" articles that haven't come true. Tech is a huge industry, and growth allows for jobs everywhere. I don't know why all of these articles have to be phrased as if jobs need to leave the Valley to m…

Mike just wrote a blog post about how much expensive Amsterdam is: http://mur.mu.rs/?p=179

About the "the Valley is moving to X" I can tell you our objective is not to move the Valley here. What we want to really accomplish is to build the some sort of evolution of it. We want to build a great community and make Amsterdam the technology and innovation center in Europe. The outcome looks bright and we are very optimistic about it.

We definitely do not need to move the Valley here for Appsterdam to be successful, Europe is full of great talent. But of course people from the Valley are welcome as well and can make our community richer.

Re: Say hello to Appsterdam: developers aim to move the Valley to Amsterdam

#30

> a location that’s far less expensive, and easier to immigrate to, than Silicon Valley. 4 years ago I travelled (mostly-) western Europe by train, staying in some of the big cities. Compared to the likes of Paris, Barcelona, Rome and Munich, I felt Amsterdam was a lot more expensive. Of course times may have changed, and the comparison was to Silicon Valley, which I have no experience of, but it struck me as a stran…

I made a quick search on Google and Amsterdam turns out to be less expensive than the cities you cited. First two links: http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/expensive-cities-europe... http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm

Interesting. Of course I based my statements on my travelling through those places for a few days - I guess that's significantly more different to actually living somewhere in cost terms than I had considered.
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