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> Can someone explain how you can train Data Scientists in 6 months? Doesn't it ring alarm bells that society attempts to herd 100% of students through 4 year programs? That sounds far from optimal, no? It seems highly likely to me that if you get someone who excels on the steep parts of learning curves, 6 months studying the right things would be just as effective (if not more) than 4 years doing mostly busy work. >…

>It seems highly likely to me that if you get someone who excels on the steep parts of learning curves, 6 months studying the right things would be just as effective (if not more) than 4 years doing mostly busy work. I don't know what you were doing in college but anyone who can learn four years of material in six months probably doesn't need Lambda School in the first place.

If you cut out the commute, obsession with socializing, 1x speed inefficient lectures, impersonal general purpose homework, breadth first class catalog that try to get you well rounded - the necessary material for most professionals is not four years worth. "I never use what we learned at school, professional life is very different" is a very old meme.

Where I live, colleges prepare you to be able to choose to be many things - continue academia, or be part of the workforce under diverging titles. They assume you don't know what you want to be yet - and it is mostly true. But if you are at a point in life where you know what you want to be, you can skip most of it (or even do it live when needed). The "keep your options open" attitude of colleges have a lot of overhead. What most people need from a 4 year college can be easily condensed into a year. It WON'T be 4 years worth of material. But if you know what you want (not keeping your options open) you don't need most of it.

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Your interview process is not far from the ones I've been involved in and I think you make a number of compelling points. The onus remains on the hiring folks to actually put in the work required to follow a sane process. I don't understand why you're blaming these platforms for teams having bad interviewing practices. There's nothing wrong with hackerrank-esque platforms themselves. They're actually pretty sweet if…

> I don't understand why you're blaming these platforms for teams having bad interviewing practices. Never said that I did. I said they were the worst thing to happen to tech, and elaborated that it's because of their overuse and abuse in hiring. Many good things start with good intentions and are abused.

> What Hackerrank DOES do is shift the burden of actually caring about the people you're speaking to

FWIW, this is what I was keying off of.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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>Doesn't it ring alarm bells that society attempts to herd 100% of students through 4 year programs? That sounds far from optimal, no? Society doesn't attempt to herd anywhere near 100% of students through 4-year programs; you just made that up.

American society does. I saw countless people at my cow college who were utterly unqualified to be there, but because "It's free money!" and Mommy and Daddy expect them to go, they went. For entirely too many of the young women, it was Four Year Husband Selection Tryouts, and for too many of the young men, it was Random Sexual Encounter Weekend. A couple of folks were there because we had the most powerful supercompu…

Here are the actual stats: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cpa.asp

About 45% of high school graduates enroll immediately in a 4 year program.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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Can someone explain how you can train Data Scientists in 6 months? What jobs do these grads walk into? The tech prerequisite is: "You should feel extremely comfortable with how a computer works including: touch-typing, web browsers, search engines, and basic computer programs." The Curriculum: Stats, Linear Algebra AND Data Wrangling: 4 Weeks Modeling: 3 Weeks Data Engineering, Databases, SQL, Productionisation: 3 We…

You assign precourse work that rejects 98% of applicants. That helps select students with existing experience, sometimes even STEM degrees. According to the example contract on their site, their income share agreements last up to seven years. Even if they fail to teach a student anything, the student can spend years studying on their own (or even get a degree), and still owe money.

I have seen another approach (also with STEM PhDs), where it isn't an income share, but rather that the incubator gets a referral fee if the student is hired--similar to a recruiter. Now, why do this? The math behind most of data science is rather basic for a number of PhD physicists--I would say the greatest weakness on the math front is that many will know probability, but not Bayesian statistics. However, the level of coding will be mixed with many not knowing about source control and a number coding in say Matlab rather than Python. Now, some have said that people can learn this on their own, which comes to the next reason. Physics graduate students and postdocs can put in extreme hours and their supervisors can expect those hours. 100+ hour weeks happen (especially for experimentalists--a number enter industry and it takes readjustment to figure out what to do with spare time). By formally leaving and joining an incubator, they give themselves space/time to learn--it's also a pretty intentional act where they have to decide that they are leaving the field (which can be psychologically difficult). The next is job interviews--the typical physicist has no idea what a data science interview will be like and coaching will help them a lot. Finally, there is networking, where the incubator may have connections with hiring managers where they can at least get people into interviews. I have seen people do either the incubator route or the DIY route and for those who have gone with the incubator (where they don't pay and the business model isn't a percentage of their salary coming from their pocket, but rather a recruiting fee going to the incubator from the company they get a job at), then they seem fairly satisfied with their experience.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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I've been critical of some of their comms before [1], but this statement seems pretty good. You seem to be working hard to read it in the worst possible light. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26948912

I don’t know, man. Hearing someone refer to layoffs as “right-sizing” leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, and I don’t think that’s an unfair reaction.

They do explicitly say "lay offs" in the first sentence though, so they don't avoid the term completely.

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I really like the idea of a talented tutor helping with subjects I struggle with. Even if it costs thousands of dollars this can be a great investment. The offer would have to be focused, customized and beyond the basics. Given the materials that are out there (MIT open courseware comes to mind) it is really beyond me why people spend so much.

You can procrastinate away your entire life with "someday I'll surely take advantages of all the free resources on X that are out there and finally learn X and maybe even shift careers!" Just think of all the things you never bother to learn despite having a latent interest even though you can open a new Youtube.com tab right now and fire away. It's hard to start, and then it's overwhelming when you do, and then you…

>You can procrastinate away your entire life

This is literally me, although today I finally found the motivation to actually put together two of the parts I 3d printed a while ago. Maybe some day I'll finish the robot.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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Can someone explain how you can train Data Scientists in 6 months? What jobs do these grads walk into? The tech prerequisite is: "You should feel extremely comfortable with how a computer works including: touch-typing, web browsers, search engines, and basic computer programs." The Curriculum: Stats, Linear Algebra AND Data Wrangling: 4 Weeks Modeling: 3 Weeks Data Engineering, Databases, SQL, Productionisation: 3 We…

As a Data Science student that just recently graduated from the program, it prepares you for a data analyst position, at best.... which essentially means any job where your primary role is to wrangle data.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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That's too bad. I'm rooting for Lambda School, they are trying hard to innovate in the area of education. Maybe ISAs are the future, maybe not, but the traditional university track of spending out $100K+ is clearly not the future. They should have been really excelling during the 2020 year of covid, I wonder where things went wrong. Anyone know?

I am a recent LS graduate. The program is a total shit show. I was able to get a job but I would never recommend it to anyone. They are just very good at marketing. Great idea, terrible execution.

I’ve been watching a housemate try the program, and it is so obviously terrible, I reached out to Austen on Twitter and offered to help.

He gave me an email address and then didn’t reply to some very specific examples I gave of obvious mistakes that are not based in cost or labor saving.

Anyway, why should he listen to me. Except that these are just elementary learning mistakes, and the whole thing appears to be run in a chaotic and unprofessional manner.

My friend will almost certainly quit. It is just so unfortunate because the premise is great.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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American society does. I saw countless people at my cow college who were utterly unqualified to be there, but because "It's free money!" and Mommy and Daddy expect them to go, they went. For entirely too many of the young women, it was Four Year Husband Selection Tryouts, and for too many of the young men, it was Random Sexual Encounter Weekend. A couple of folks were there because we had the most powerful supercompu…

Here are the actual stats: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cpa.asp About 45% of high school graduates enroll immediately in a 4 year program.

Statistics of enrollment percentage doesn’t really describe the culture surrounding college in the United States, though. Plenty of people don’t end up going to college but that certainly hasn’t stopped it being considered a panacea for employability in this country.

This is still being pushed by politicians. It’s still what pretty much every parent hopes for their children as well. On this website I’ve seen people derisively describe people as not college educated.

Re: Lambda School lays off 65 employees

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Anyone with knowledge know if this is isolated to lambda falling behind their peers, or the industry itself starting to turn away from hiring boot camp grads?

I think it is an industry moving away from boot camp grads. Almost all these boot camps focused on JavaScript and HTML/CSS. None of them were really teaching Linux sysadmin, clustering, scaling, etc. The real world needs developers that understand more than just frontend development.

“Learn Java and backend engineering in 6 weeks” isn’t going to cut it either.

There are no shortcuts to experience and aptitude.

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