Never heard of a right-sizing before. The linguistic hurdles of execs will never cease to amaze me!
It's definitely not a new euphemism. Here's a HN comment from 2008 discussing it:
Lambda School lays off 65 employees
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#12Anyone with knowledge know if this is isolated to lambda falling behind their peers, or the industry itself starting to turn away from hiring boot camp grads?
In my experience, the signal to noise ratio for bootcamp is very low.
You might get a diamond in the rough sometimes but it's so inefficient compared to a hiring pipeline from real schools. Lambda now has a program where you can "try" one of their graduates for a few weeks free of charge. Contrast that with the signing bonuses you see negotiated at serious career fairs... That should give you an idea how much people trust Lambda's grads.
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#13Never heard of a right-sizing before. The linguistic hurdles of execs will never cease to amaze me!
What amazes me even more is how this doublespeak has any effect at all anymore. Are there still people who don't see through this? Or are the execs in such a bubble they believe it themselves?
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#14Anyone with knowledge know if this is isolated to lambda falling behind their peers, or the industry itself starting to turn away from hiring boot camp grads?
I think it is an industry moving away from boot camp grads. Almost all these boot camps focused on JavaScript and HTML/CSS.
None of them were really teaching Linux sysadmin, clustering, scaling, etc. The real world needs developers that understand more than just frontend development.
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#15Never heard of a right-sizing before. The linguistic hurdles of execs will never cease to amaze me!
This is extraordinarily common language to use in this scenario. Dates back to 1989 according to MW:
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#16Never heard of a right-sizing before. The linguistic hurdles of execs will never cease to amaze me!
It's definitely not a new euphemism. Here's a HN comment from 2008 discussing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=403637
The Dilbert Principle book from 1998 or whatever has a joke about it.
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#17Looks like a refocusing on the full-time program. Doesn't seem _too_ surprising, given how many part-time programs (ie, Coursera) have struggled to retain users distracted by jobs and life. I hope they figure it out. 4-year university education for everyone is a broken model, and students deserve a cheaper path that doesn't eat half a decade of their life.
Agree. I used to be against the technical interview process, but now I wholeheartedly believe in every facet of it (Leetcode, book knowledge, project based behavioral questions, system design).
The quicker everyone learns these important concepts, non of which are taught in school or in bootcamps, the quicker one gets to be productive in programming.
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#18Anyone with knowledge know if this is isolated to lambda falling behind their peers, or the industry itself starting to turn away from hiring boot camp grads?
There are plenty of bootcamp grad alumni from the ~2013 era that are now senior and staff level engineers. Any company that wants to be stuck up about university degrees is missing out on a lot of potentially strong contributors. The bootcampers I know haven't had any trouble getting hired.
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#19Anyone with knowledge know if this is isolated to lambda falling behind their peers, or the industry itself starting to turn away from hiring boot camp grads?
In my experience, the signal to noise ratio for bootcamp is very low. You might get a diamond in the rough sometimes but it's so inefficient compared to a hiring pipeline from real schools. Lambda now has a program where you can "try" one of their graduates for a few weeks free of charge. Contrast that with the signing bonuses you see negotiated at serious career fairs... That should give you an idea how much people…
> Lambda now has a program where you can "try" one of their graduates for a few weeks free of charge.
Any idea how this works? It seems like it would be difficult to have such a program without running afoul of labor laws. Does Lambda have the equivalent of a temp staffing agency subsidiary to facilitate this program?
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#20Never heard of a right-sizing before. The linguistic hurdles of execs will never cease to amaze me!
To be fair, while I'm no "corporate simp", it is entirely possible that a company has hired too many people and needs to fire them to return to the "right size" for profitability to be sustained.
We needed to reduce headcount to maintain profitability.
You can keep some marketing speak without being absolutely full of it.