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Re: Yayagram

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Post by [deleted] »

flobosg wrote: post #32
nanna wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, let me put this another way, since I'm being downvoted. I think my 70 year old mum, who is a grandma, would find it patronising and sexist to have a device pitched to her as an easier to use version of the iPad she is a bloody master of in every way. She's far more adapt than my dad, bless him, but even he can use WhatsApp and the like fine after being shown.

FWIW, the author’s grandmother is twenty-six years older than your mother: https://twitter.com/mrcatacroquer/status/1386318879572570112 > My Yaya is Felisa Romano Martin, from Segovia, 96 years old, and she is the best Yaya in the world.

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Re: Yayagram

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Post by nanna »

andrewzah wrote: post #33
nanna wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, let me put this another way, since I'm being downvoted. I think my 70 year old mum, who is a grandma, would find it patronising and sexist to have a device pitched to her as an easier to use version of the iPad she is a bloody master of in every way. She's far more adapt than my dad, bless him, but even he can use WhatsApp and the like fine after being shown.

It's called that because they made it specifically for their grandmother. Do we really need to state that it's going to depend on the particular person and their needs? Also, that grandmother is _96_. That is not even remotely close to someone in their ~70s. It is also dependent on the person: one of my grandmothers (around 70) doesn't like ipads, and can operate phones a little bit. My other grandma, similar age, lo…

> you're treating this like a generalized business pitch, when it's a specialized hardware project someone did for their own grandmother, and gave it a cute name based on their language.

Ok, fair enough, I accept your argument.

Re: Yayagram

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Post by nanna »

dang wrote: post #44
andrewzah wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called that because they made it specifically for their grandmother. Do we really need to state that it's going to depend on the particular person and their needs? Also, that grandmother is _96_. That is not even remotely close to someone in their ~70s. It is also dependent on the person: one of my grandmothers (around 70) doesn't like ipads, and can operate phones a little bit. My other grandma, similar age, lo…

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. If you're answering a comment that you think is incorrect, do so in a netural and/or friendly way. Otherwise you just make the thread worse, no matter how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Thanks for all your work, dang.

Re: Yayagram

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Post by anxrn »

zackbloom wrote: post #40
grok22 wrote: post #35

Something like this needs to be made commercial at a reasonable price-point :-(. It will help bridge the technology gap between aged grand-parents who aren't comfortable with modern tech and up-to-date grand-kids who live in far-flung places and are more comfortable with the newer methods of communication. Also connecting to a network must be made transparent somehow in these devices like Kindle's WhisperNet.

I would say the single biggest issue right now is the cost of an LTE modem and service. Cursory research shows a fully integrated modem is on the order of $44 at small quantities. Obviously cell phone manufactures get that number way down but they also manufacture at very high quantities. It looks like service is on the order of $0.50 per month per device, plus $0.33 per MB. That's not prohibitive, but it would mean…

Is LTE necessary? It seems that 3G or even 2G might suffice, and might be cheaper?

Re: Yayagram

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Post by sevencolors »

goldenchrome wrote: post #58
thirdlamp wrote: post #12

On top of the points others in this thread have made, I think this is also a lesson for UX designers. It's really obvious how the Yayagram works and how to use it and this is how our UX should be.

As a former UX designer, this is a wonderful device and I love it. It was clearly made with a particular user in mind and they thoughtfully designed around the user constraints. It’s effective because it’s as simple as possible, and relies heavily (as pointed out by the designer multiple times) on very old metaphors like switchboards, telegrams, and binary state indicator lights. It feels obvious because these metaph…

Yeah i feel like a new UX idea isn't fully appreciated till many years later when they're widely accepted

Re: Yayagram

#66

Post by asoneth »

crusty wrote: post #45
lacker wrote: post #30

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A lot of companies and people don't really appreciate how much training is really needed to operate even the simplest of mobile phones. I completely agree, but at the same time it's funny that you can take a two-year-old without any formal technology training at all, accidentally leave an iPad where they can get it, and before long they're showing you gesture commands you didn't even know about.

My experience with this differential leads me to believe the train stems largely from caution and expectations. A small child has zero degree of caution. An older person knows they don't know and worries that ignorance will somehow break the device (permanently or temporarily). A small child usually doesn't have a formal expectation of what they are trying to achieve, it's largely experimentation, maybe with the inte…

> A small child has zero degree of caution.

As a parent of small children I regularly have to repair electronic devices that have been temporarily broken (e.g. different languages set, screens locked out, tablet storage filled by thousands of burst photos of the floor) and a small but growing collection of electronic devices that have been permanently broken (e.g. antennas pulled off of radios, keys pulled off keyboards, ports yanked out) by this lack of caution.

> An older person knows they don't know and worries that ignorance will somehow break the device (permanently or temporarily).

This may be rational learned behavior. If they don't have someone on hand to fix issues then with many interfaces it's surprisingly easy to get yourself stuck in a situation where it's not obvious how to get out.

Re: Yayagram

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Post by Leherenn »

nerdponx wrote: post #41
grok22 wrote: post #37

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Yeah, this is something I too struggle to understand. A kid new to it quickly gets the basics of an iPad. But a grandma struggles with it. Maybe all their preconceived notions cause a mental barrier for some older folks in adopting new technology? Maybe it's just that people are variable in their adaptability and there probably will be kids too who find using an iPad really hard.

Maybe all their preconceived notions cause a mental barrier for some older folks in adopting new technology? I've observed this as well. The hardest part are the basic concepts. Examples: - The idea of a "settings menu" itself is somewhat of an alien concept and mostly limited to devices with screens. - Not all UI elements have obvious meanings if you aren't already used to them. - The input device itself might be un…

I don't know, a common issue I have seen is pointing the camera towards their face during a video call. These are people that have been taking pictures with regular cameras for decades, but give them a smartphone and they can't target their face to save their lives. They're not stupid, and I don't think it's a new concept, it's just digital instead of analogic. But a lot of older people struggle, I don't understand.

Re: Yayagram

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Post by Thorentis »

This is brilliant. A single device that does one thing, and does it (hopefully) really well. It is a much needed antidote to the "all in one" apps we are seeing more and more of.

Touchscreens really embody the "all in one" design pattern, and lend themselves to those types of apps. That's after all what they're intended for: interchangeable interfaces. Nice to see a modern service being used with an analog interface.

Re: Yayagram

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Post by re »

I think it's amusing to imagine what the fifty-years-from-now equivalent of this might look like. "I built a fake 'cell phone' that lets my grandpa 'text' me, it translates the words into thoughts and beams them directly to my neural implant."

Re: Yayagram

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

re wrote: post #69

I think it's amusing to imagine what the fifty-years-from-now equivalent of this might look like. "I built a fake 'cell phone' that lets my grandpa 'text' me, it translates the words into thoughts and beams them directly to my neural implant."

Probably be a web service that does that for you. Like those old fax webservices.
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