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The World the Suez Canal Made

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Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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One of the interesting facts I leaned about the Suez canal is how container ships have grown in size with time and how the canal also widened gradually with time to accomodate them. Another interesting fact was that Egypt, like the USA was on the point of industrialising in the 19th century but was prevented from doing so by its British rulers.

Curious about your Britain-bashing last line, I had a quick gander. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-6-the... Seems to suggest that Britain may well have meddled in Egypt's industrialisation, but is by no means absolutely to blame. There's a myriad of reasons Egypt didn't industrialise, as you'd expect from history - nothing's quite so simple. In fact, it could be argued that Britain did more to…

I wonder if it's really some conspiracy from a far away foreign power or local customs that prevented the emergence of a stable industrialized state [0] [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baksheesh

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26588272

Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious about your Britain-bashing last line, I had a quick gander. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-6-the... Seems to suggest that Britain may well have meddled in Egypt's industrialisation, but is by no means absolutely to blame. There's a myriad of reasons Egypt didn't industrialise, as you'd expect from history - nothing's quite so simple. In fact, it could be argued that Britain did more to…

Well the article you cited has a really important piece: the British simply blocked Egpytian and Ottoman empire imports. They had tremendous control over the seas and Egypt was virtually a colony of the British. Preventing IP from reaching Egypt was a big deal. The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Japan also didn't have coal.

> The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry.

Citation needed.

Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the article you cited has a really important piece: the British simply blocked Egpytian and Ottoman empire imports. They had tremendous control over the seas and Egypt was virtually a colony of the British. Preventing IP from reaching Egypt was a big deal. The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Japan also didn't have coal.

> The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Citation needed.

May be later than desired but the thread reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_technological_cooperati...

Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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post #15

I really don't understand people's eager desire to condemn capitalism. It's like they think human life would require no resources if we simply abolish capitalism. We'd still need shipping routes even if we lived under global communism.

I'd agree there's something you don't understand if you think the response being advocated for is generally Soviet-style communism with zero of the properties of capitalism and no shipping lanes for some reason.

Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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post #15

I really don't understand people's eager desire to condemn capitalism. It's like they think human life would require no resources if we simply abolish capitalism. We'd still need shipping routes even if we lived under global communism.

I'd agree there's something you don't understand if you think the response being advocated for is generally Soviet-style communism with zero of the properties of capitalism and no shipping lanes for some reason.

I didn't say any of that.

Re: The World the Suez Canal Made

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the article you cited has a really important piece: the British simply blocked Egpytian and Ottoman empire imports. They had tremendous control over the seas and Egypt was virtually a colony of the British. Preventing IP from reaching Egypt was a big deal. The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Japan also didn't have coal.

> The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Citation needed.

https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/07/05/americas-industrial-re...

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_thef...

https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53

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