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Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by TomatoDash »

Shadonototro wrote: post #69

lot of fake food propaganda on the internet lately fake meak was proven to be non-healhtly, and now fake cheese if i want cheese i'll buy cheese, stop trying to sell me fake things as X, because it clearly is not the same thing meat and cheese are what they are because the animals eat plenty of things and they are living creatures, you can't replicate this can we stop promoting pseudo VC startups, they clearly are on…

> fake meak was proven to be non-healhtly

Here [0] is a series of nine short videos (with text transcripts and links to all scientific sources) on plant-based meat substitutes' health and environmental impact. The reported findings go against your claim.

[0] https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-environmental-impacts-o...

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by andor »

endisneigh wrote: post #6

Leaving aside for a moment the morality of eating meat and dairy - is there actually any (health) benefit to the heavily (and I mean heavily ) processed dairy alternatives compared to just eating regular cheese?

Animal fat and protein cause inflammation, while plant-based fat and protein don't. Dairy contains all sorts of hormones and other stuff (e.g. real estrogen, antibiotics) that people should not consume regularly.

Milk alternatives on the other hand can actually be anti-inflammatory because they contain antioxidants. Whether that still holds true for processed versions of it... probably depends!

The other big risk factor in cheese is saturated fat. I don't know if plant-based cheese is generally healthier in that respect.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by pmoriarty »

mssundaram wrote: post #58
jjcon wrote: post #2

> Vegan Cheese Is Ready to Compete With Dairy. Is the World Ready to Eat It? I’m vegetarian and my partner is vegan - I’ve tried every vegan cheese on the shelf. The answer is no because it’s not even close to ready. It might pass an initial taste test where you say, that’s not so bad, but then you pick up on all the things it’s missing. Sometimes the aftertaste is terrible, sometimes the texture or versatility. Mayb…

I'm tired of this laziness. I don't care about vegan cheese - I am vegan because it's better for me, the planet, and animals. Boohoo if I can't find some cheese that tastes exactly like cultured milk from a suffering animal.

Unfortunately, the number of cheese eaters who'll be swayed by this sort of argument and who aren't already ethically vegan is probably close to zero.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by jethro_tell »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #54
willcipriano wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wanted to make pizza with my two year old daughter a couple of weeks ago. Picked up some mozzarella at the store and when I went to use it noticed the well hidden plant logo and "plant based" text that was almost the same color as the packaging. Figured I'd give it a shot. It was inedible, completely ruined the pizza. My daughter took a bite and said "no, dad" I agreed and we threw it away and got a happy meal. I fig…

i am not liking the way many of this is packaged. any other product and hackernews would be angry for the "deceptive packaging", but because the hackernews like this product, they are give it a freepass.

have yet to read a comment that likes it :shrug:

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by Pfhreak »

novok wrote: post #64
king_magic wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, they are all atrocious at this stage. Orders of magnitude worse than Beyond Beef* / Impossible* (as compared to actual meat). *just to be clear, I actually love both Beyond & Impossible's products. Extremely close to real meat IMO.

I really don't get how people think impossible burger tastes like meat. It has the texture of a lentil patty with blood flavoring added.

I mean, so do garbage fast food burgers, so maybe that's the bar they are comparing against?

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by ipaddr »

mssundaram wrote: post #58
jjcon wrote: post #2

> Vegan Cheese Is Ready to Compete With Dairy. Is the World Ready to Eat It? I’m vegetarian and my partner is vegan - I’ve tried every vegan cheese on the shelf. The answer is no because it’s not even close to ready. It might pass an initial taste test where you say, that’s not so bad, but then you pick up on all the things it’s missing. Sometimes the aftertaste is terrible, sometimes the texture or versatility. Mayb…

I'm tired of this laziness. I don't care about vegan cheese - I am vegan because it's better for me, the planet, and animals. Boohoo if I can't find some cheese that tastes exactly like cultured milk from a suffering animal.

Be careful thinking just going vegan is better for the planet.

"The vegan diet is widely regarded to be better for the planet than those that include animal products, but not all plant-based foodstuffs have a small environmental footprint."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-di...

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by ArchOversight »

novok wrote: post #64
king_magic wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, they are all atrocious at this stage. Orders of magnitude worse than Beyond Beef* / Impossible* (as compared to actual meat). *just to be clear, I actually love both Beyond & Impossible's products. Extremely close to real meat IMO.

I really don't get how people think impossible burger tastes like meat. It has the texture of a lentil patty with blood flavoring added.

In a blind taste test put on for friends people thought the Impossible was actually the real deal and the beef burger was the fake "meat" product.

Both burgers were made with the same spices and were grilled on a charcoal grill.

People are happier to replace their hamburger meat with Impossible instead. Beyond Meat has slightly different flavor that people were able to pick out as "fake meat".

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by armoredkitten »

jjcon wrote: post #2

> Vegan Cheese Is Ready to Compete With Dairy. Is the World Ready to Eat It? I’m vegetarian and my partner is vegan - I’ve tried every vegan cheese on the shelf. The answer is no because it’s not even close to ready. It might pass an initial taste test where you say, that’s not so bad, but then you pick up on all the things it’s missing. Sometimes the aftertaste is terrible, sometimes the texture or versatility. Mayb…

I find the meltiness is really what kills it for me, in most cases. If you're wanting something to add to a charcuterie board or to put out with your appetizers, there are a lot of great cashew-based cheeses that do a pretty good job at mimicking softer cheeses. They're a bit pricey, but probably close to the price you'd spend on a quality dairy cheese.

But once you start trying to melt vegan cheese...things get a little wonky. The consistency is just still not there, and yes, sometimes the aftertaste is pretty bad. I've found some that are bearable, but for the most part....I've just embraced cuisines that don't rely on cheese. Maybe some day we'll crack that (hazel?)nut, but we're still not there.

Re: Vegan cheese has quietly but steadily infiltrated mainstream supermarket shelves

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Post by barbazoo »

dheera wrote: post #53
jjcon wrote: post #2

> Vegan Cheese Is Ready to Compete With Dairy. Is the World Ready to Eat It? I’m vegetarian and my partner is vegan - I’ve tried every vegan cheese on the shelf. The answer is no because it’s not even close to ready. It might pass an initial taste test where you say, that’s not so bad, but then you pick up on all the things it’s missing. Sometimes the aftertaste is terrible, sometimes the texture or versatility. Mayb…

Non-vegan vegetarian here and I agree. The flip side of it is, the dairy cheeses next to the vegan cheeses don't pass my taste test either. What are they trying to imitate, shitty deli slices? I really want vegan cheese, but I want Parmiggiano-Regano, Brie, Smoked Gouda, Burrata, Pepper Jack, and Manchego, not deli slices. I don't even eat real dairy deli slices. Same thing for vegan yogurt. Every goddamn vegan yogur…

I recommend buying plain yoghurt and adding to it whatever you actually like. It's less waste usually, cheaper and exactly what you actually want to eat.
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